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Recently the server staff received an e-mail telling them to moderate the Discord server and the server chat on what they deem to be "appropriate."

Below is a message from owner of the server.

Free Speech Under Attack

Dear friends, I don't often post announcements of this sort, but I feel it's very important for you all to know what's currently going on.

From the very start, over 15 years ago, one of the key founding principles of MinecraftOnline has been free speech. What started out as an uncontroversal, common sense policy, has proved to be a cornerstone of this increasingly unique community. As time has passed and Western society has wavered back and forth in its political leanings, free speech has repeatedly come under attack for political reasons. It has now become common to see arrests for posts on social media in countries such as Britain and Germany, in the name of political control, which have overtaken the numbers even of traditionally totalitarian countries such as China and Russia - a truly dystopian nightmare for freedom of expression and personal liberty.

Throughout this decade and a half of change, MinecraftOnline has held steadfast to its libertarian principles, and remained an oasis of freedom and openness in an increasingly closed and controlled internet. That is, until now.

Microsoft, through their subsidiary Mojang, have issued an ultimatum to MinecraftOnline. We have been told to do away with our free speech policy (which long pre-dates Microsoft's acquisition of Mojang), within 7 days, or face a a permanent block. If that happens, nobody will be able to play on MinecraftOnline again, and the 15-year history of this beloved server will come to a sudden and bitter end. The full email we have received today, signed facelessly only as "Mojang Enforcement", is included below.

The email makes extremely vague claims about "harmful interactions" and "harmful comments", and we are asking Microsoft to clarify what specific interactions and comments they consider harmful. In the meantime, please spread the word, share this info on social media. Defend free speech.

-SlowRiot

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[–] darkevilmac@lemmy.zip 134 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I get why people are having trouble defending them but it's really not cool that Mojang is pushing to enforce their own personal requirements on self-hosted servers. It's one thing if it was an official server or hosted on realms or something, but this is just a bit too far in my opinion.

And given the recent pivots by tech companies in the US there's very little reason to think this same set of rules couldn't be applied to groups like trans people in the future.

It's better to push back on this sort of stuff early, instead of waiting for it to personally impact you once it's already built up momentum.

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[–] glimse@lemmy.world 90 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

MinecraftOnline has held steadfast to its libertarian principles, and remained an oasis of freedom and openness in an increasingly closed and controlled internet.

Huh, can't imagine what sort of harmful content was being shared!

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 20 points 2 weeks ago

I've been on there before and I don't think politics was ever really talked about

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Given the reference to people being arrested in the UK (and M$'s participation in Israel's genocide), likely Palestinian flags.

[–] Atropos@lemmy.world 43 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

I'm confused - how can Microsoft enforce this? Aren't individually hosted Minecraft servers outside of Microsoft's direct control?

If this server is hosted on azure or something they would have control over, then yeah, I suppose they have to comply with Microsoft's rules.

[–] candyman337@lemmy.world 52 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Several actions on a server ping Microsoft's servers for authentication, I couldn't login to my self hosted server because of the azure outages yesterday

[–] Atropos@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Interesting, I gotta look into that more.

I'd prefer if my server for my friends didn't phone home

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's called offline mode. It's a setting you can choose in the server configuration. The drawback is that there is no official account validation (because of course there can't be, since it's not reaching out to the authentication servers), meaning you have to basically "bring your own security", installing a client whitelist or some other authentication method otherwise it's open season to trolls, and that's why it's not as common as you might imagine it would be.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 4 points 2 weeks ago

There are custom ways of validating account

[–] candyman337@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There's an "online mode" setting you can set to false, but you also won't have skins, and if your server was online, your inventory will be reset, and so will your spawn point

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

"you also won't have skins" is fucking wild if true given those are just tiny, local assets.

[–] itsralC@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

They are tied to your ~~Mojang~~ Microsoft account, though.

[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 week ago

They're not tiny local assets, they're tiny assets tied to your account and downloaded on demand from official servers, including if you don't even join a server and just have your player head/skull spawned in in some way.

It would be nice to be able to officially have skins in offline mode, but that's not how the game is meant to be run, and a minor enough thing I don't really see it as an issue.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You're technically bound by the Minecraft/Microsoft EULA. As others have noted, the game phones home for authentication, so Microsoft can control that.

That said, if they're hosting the Java edition it is absolutely trivial to defeat the authentication. This is technically a license violation, but if I were these guys I would just become a pirate server and build Microsoft a nice 128 block tall obsidian and sea lantern middle finger.

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[–] gnawmon@ttrpg.network 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Every Minecraft server uses Mojang's authentication servers, so every login attempt has to go through Mojang. That's how they can enforce these things.

[–] Atropos@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd imagine disabling authentication prevents this - but also makes a whitelist probably impossible

[–] 9bananas@feddit.org 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

you can still use the whitelist, technically, but I'm pretty sure anyone could just spoof an account id in that case.

so if your server is on the open web, that's a bad idea.

if you're running on a private network via VPN or something similar it doesn't matter, since authentication is handled by joining the network instead of the server.

we just use zero tier for our servers; nice and hassle-free, private connection, no mojang servers necessary! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(technically the server doesn't even need an internet connection, just the VPN interface)

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Most offline servers just have a password system

[–] 9bananas@feddit.org 9 points 2 weeks ago

oh right! forgot that's a feature! good point!

[–] 9bananas@feddit.org 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

it's probably 2 ways:

first: every public server (and really every server) needs to include an acknowledgement of the EULA that comes with the server files, or the server won't even start. so this is something that the server host has already agreed to. if they are in violation of the EULA, then they can probably be forced to comply with a cease and desist or similar legal action by a court order.

second: if the server is discoverable in-game via mojang hosted services, i.e.: if you can just search "Minecraft online" on the multiplayer menu in-game and find the server, then they can kick them off that service. pretty sure that's the IP ban they are talking about, but could be something else too (don't know enough about how big Minecraft instances are managed, i just play with friends on self-hosted servers where all of this is irrelevant, since they are private anyways)

apart from that i guess general lawsuit shenanigans against the hoster, which could mean either the Minecraft online team, or, if they are using a hosting service to run the servers, the hosting service itself.

so there's quite a few ways, all except the second would effectively kill the server.

all that said... I'm very suspicious about the entire exchange:

the words "libertarian" and "free speech" are almost always code for bigotry.

and the mojang email is super weird too; why is there zero concrete examples of what the problematic content actually is? it's absurdly vague and impossible to comply with.

which would also make sense if the first assumption is true, that it's a server full of bigotry, then mojang might feel that there is no need for examples, since they assume the hoster knows exactly what they're talking about...

anyways....very, VERY weird situation.

one of the two is definitely dishonest, but i can't say for sure which one... although I'm leaning towards the server hosters for now...seems suspicious...

[–] Technoguyfication@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Minecraft doesn’t have a server browser, you have to input the hostname directly.

The way it works is Mojang publishes a text file of all the banned hostnames and the client downloads this when it starts up. If the server it tries to connect to matches any entries in the blacklist, the connection attempt fails with a cryptic network error.

It’s very shady.

[–] 9bananas@feddit.org 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

shady and it sounds extremely easy to circumvent: just replace the file with an empty/blank one...

do forge servers also download the blacklist? cause it can't remember ever seeing one, and I've set up a lot of servers...though i never went looking for the list either...

re: server list; you can search for servers though, right? cause i seem to remember that mojang used to provide a service to have servers searchable without the IP address, kinda like a DNS service in-game.

am i misremembering?

I could be misremembering, because i haven't played anything other than heavily modded MC for like 10 years... and always on self hosted servers, where you always need the IP anyways...sooo... that's one part of Minecraft I've never really interacted with...

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[–] Atropos@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Great point about the eula=true flag.

Yeah the whole thing seems odd to me. It's gotta be discovery on the in game browser they are referring to.

But why mention discord? How does Microsoft even know what discord channel is related to what server?

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[–] KaChilde@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Really goes to show how much a headline can sway the narrative.

Oh no, the oldest minecraft server? How could Microsoft do this? Microshit bad!

I didn’t even need to read anything from Mojang or Microsoft. As soon as I saw the Owners statement I knew this was bigots complaining about not being allowed to be shit humans wherever they like.

“Free speech under attack”, “ultimatum”, “libertarian principles”. “Oasis of Freedom and openness”? Really? These guys are sad that Microsoft won’t let them use official channels to say the n-word anymore.

Looks like they are allowed to continue being bigots, they just can’t use Microsoft’s official systems to do it.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (11 children)

The malignment of anyone supportive of free-speech with 'obviously they're bigots' is a really dumb take that plays into the hands of oppressive governments.

Considering their examples of 'free speech under attack' being the UK and Germany - places that have absolutely stomped on Palestine-support protesters over the last few years, I think your assumptions could be completely off base.

They are not using Microsoft's official systems at all - this is an expensive self-hosted services that they run, so maybe, instead of jumping to comment and saying "I don't even need to read Mojangs statement" you probably should next time.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 1 week ago

The fact that they don't point to all of the political arrests and disappearing of people in the United States is interesting. Yet they are concerned about free speech.

[–] helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sense when did Microsoft become the "speach police", I'm all for them shutting down problem accounts when they're reported, but their place isn't to patrol the chat like a physco mother reading all her kid's texts.

No one is forced to play on a Minecraft server, if you don't like the people there, you can leave and find somewhere else.

Corporations are only after profits, they'll moderate based on whatever's popular at the time and doesnt hurt their profits. Look at all the gambling/pay to win servers they don't shit about.

[–] Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Isn't this just terminating their official partner status? I'm pretty sure they can still run their server, just not be an official partner.

[–] helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

The email threatens IP/Domain blacklist.

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[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

the top comment has further emails where MConline clarifies that they do not have partner server status

[–] dysprosium@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago

Didn't even need to read anything from Microsoft

These guys are sad that Microsoft won’t let them use official channels to say the n-word anymore.

Looks like they are allowed to continue being bigots

You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain [of free speech].

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[–] qaz@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

I've been playing on this server for several years and have posted about it on here before. They have no claims system but do have a strong anti-griefing policy that allows builds from more than a decade ago to remain untouched (map). You can go exploring, and you will find builds from 2010 and new builds from a couple of months ago. It's pretty cool seeing how building styles developed from back in Minecraft Alpha to now.

The “free speech” chat policy isn't entirely unrestricted. The servers are hosted at Hetzner in Germany and are therefore bound to their laws. This means things such as swastikas are not allowed (neither as builds nor in chat). There have been cases where people use the n- or f-word, but it's not common, and will not be appreciated by most players.

The owner (SlowRiot) is an interesting character. He runs a game studio and is a former director of Mensa UK with whom he had a legal fight a couple years back. He is not that active but checks on the server every so often. (SlowRiot's MCO wiki page)

The server has been having several technical issues for a while. It is still stuck on version 1.12.2. It has various custom Sponge plugins which are still being ported over. Furthermore, it also has issues with lag, comparable to a heavily modded minecraft server.

[–] dysprosium@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago

/ignore is a pretty damn good feature if you ask me. Sad this is dismissed as "Failure to act"

[–] Angelevo@feddit.nl 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Mensa... time and time again we see the same thing. People desperate to prove their intelligence through tests etc. -- may be intelligent, not always wise.

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[–] warm@kbin.earth 16 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Any examples of what Mojang are talking about? There's free speech and then there's hate speech. If the latter is the problem, then I can understand their position and desire to take the server offline.

I imagine, from the constant mention of free speech, that the server is just rampant with hate and slurs more than anything. Which in that case, fuck them, take the server down.

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (10 children)

well, idk if there’s examples, but their server has an "anything goes" policy with regards to chat. they explicitly mention racial slurs as a thing you are allowed to say.

so yea, fuck that. archive the map for it’s historical value and close the server. it’s been unplayably laggy for years anyway, we’re not losing much.

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[–] gnawmon@ttrpg.network 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Take this with a grain of salt, as I'm a commoner on the server.

While freedom of speech means you can yell whatever racial slurs you want, it doesn't mean you are free from consequences. When you start saying bigoted stuff on the chat, you will be targeted by players and get /ignore'd.

I would advise you to make your own judgement by reading the chat logs on Discord or IRC, but not everybody has that amount of time. Some people said vile stuff here, but every time someone says some weird stuff, it always gets backlash, and it definitely isn't a nazi breeding ground.

[–] warm@kbin.earth 5 points 1 week ago

I don't think anywhere that allows racial slurs is a good place to exist and Mojang have every right to close that shit down. I don't know why anyone would be okay with hate just being allowed, it's just pointless and does nothing for humanity. Whether or not you think it's a "nazi breeding ground", hate just being an open thing IS going to breed more hate. If everyone is just going to ignore someone who is hateful (they are not going to), then just ban them anyway?

I don't need to read logs, I've already heard all I need to know. I hope the server changes its rules, or gets promptly closed.

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[–] ekky@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I remember Minecraft version 1.7.8, the last version before Microsoft bought Mojang and promptly fucked over the modding community for the first time, causing a mass uproar from those that had been playing since the beginning and setting a standard of what to be expected in the future.

And I think that standard has held true.

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[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 4 points 2 weeks ago

I don't agree with this policy but it's their own hardware. I think Microsoft could take issue with the name but nothing more, really.

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Doing a Nintendo.

[–] Angelevo@feddit.nl 4 points 1 week ago

Actively attacking people, facilitating unethical behavior etc. -- does not equal free speech. Microsoft is doing the right thing here.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 1 week ago

Oh, it's one of those communities. I can see why MS want their brand name nowhere near it.

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