For posting all the anonymous reactionary bullshit that you can't post anywhere else.
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Throwing my support behind this as well. I get why the renaming needed to happen, but splitting the comm into two never really made much sense to me, and just seemed like a solution in search of a problem. Reunite the comms, call it c/dunk or c/slop, and let people post what they want. I think the fear that the resulting comm will get flooded by type takes is probably overblown, but that could get addressed later if it turns out to be a problem. People who don't want to see the dunking can block the comm. I can't imagine that there are a ton of folks out there who had c/slop blocked but not c/gossip (or vice-versa) anyway. 
We will have to do a similar post on El Chisme at some point to see if the sentiment is similar there.
Literally just asking the same people twice. It’s not like the two dunk pages have radically different communities, it’s the same people just arbitrarily splitting their posting between two places because mods told us to.
But still, good to make sure
Feels like a classic case of mods making work because they want to feel like they’re working, just like splitting the comms was in the first place, but sure at least it’d be pretty harmless this time.
Merge /c/gossip and /c/slop into /c/slop and remove rule 8. Almost every change to the_dunk_tank/slop thus far has been disastrous:
Adding rule 8 to /c/the_dunk_tank. The old rule 8 was that the person had to be a "public figure," which is so vague (I eventually settled upon "if the person has a Wikipedia article, they count as a public figure.") It's also pointless too. Why does someone having a Wikipedia article or a Twitch channel with an arbitrary amount of subscribers warrant different treatment from someone who doesn't? It just feeds into weird parasocial bullshit. Like, a mayor is more of a public figure than some Twitter account with millions of subscribers by virtue of the mayor being a public servant and the Twitter account being an online rando, but good luck having anyone follow this because "public figure" is a vague term.
Splitting /c/the_dunk_tank into /c/the_dunk_tank and /c/dredge_tank. The (old) rule 8 was terrible, but instead of just rolling back the change, the admins decided to have two comms, one with the rule and one without. And people predictably just posted in the more popular comm because their submitted slop would get more engagement, which contributed more to the mod's workload for no conceivable gain whatsoever to the point where the mods have long since completely given up enforcing the rule that they came up with. I also remember /c/the_dunk_tank, which had the old rule 8, had nothing but Musk tweets for a time since he fits the "public figure" criteria and UlyssesT really loves shitting on Musk.
Picking /c/gossip as its name even with its vaguely misogynistic connotations. I remember so many people complaining about it only for a minority to claim that calling it /c/gossip was "femmes reclaiming a misogynistic slur."
Getting rid of /c/the_dunk_tank because of its racist origins was the right call and /c/slop is a fine name for what /c/slop is. Now, we just need to merge /c/gossip with /c/slop and remove rule 8. People who don't want to see transphobes seething about trans women in sports or Twitter fascists malding over interracial marriages can just block one comm instead of two.
I kind of enjoyed rule #8 because it stopped UlyssesT from posting every nobody he ran into on twitter.
I guess it serves as a function for some people to vent after engaging with some thickheaded chud, but the amount of "look at this guy I'm arguing with" was annoying at times.
On the other hand I had some very productive experiences posting takes from bloodthirsty lemmitors that were then bullied into thinking about their sino/russo-fobia. And the lemmitors were nobodies too.
So I dunno.
Maybe like just something, some rule that says like you can't repeatedly post nobodies that either have the same general stupid opinion or same stupid account? Maybe general mod discretion on that? IDK, I'm not a moderator.
A slop long divided must unite
How about c/the_drunk_tank and you can only post if your BAC is above 0.08
Formally dropping rule 8 and mending the old dunk/dredge schism would probably be for the best imo. c/gossip's purpose as the prestige slop comm is kind of unclear, and I for one say that all slop should be slop regardless of how prestigious it is.
in my personal opinion, people post slop/gossip in the wrong comm all the time anyway, so I don't think the distinction has been very clear, memorable, or productive.
Agree with this, it's never been very clear what the specific point it's one or another is and "Slop" is a better, more descriptive name of the content that goes into both anyway.
Thank you for doing this. It's a good initiative.
I don't understand the distinction between slop and gossip. I'd like for the distinction to be made clear or for them to be united.
If they are still kept separate: Naming it gossip is kind of wack, I know some mods (who later got banned/left on their own accord) really wanted it to be named gossip for some reason, but they're not here anymore so.
The old dunk/dredge naming made it much easier to understand what went where.
I don't know the current mods thoughts on these Comms, but I remember lurking during the dunk-session. Back then it turned out some of the people moderating this comm did not enjoy its content and looked down at the users. If any of those moderators remain, or there are others who share their opinions on the contents of the comms and the user base, then I'd like for them to resign from moderating the comms.
Merge all dunking communities into /c/dunking
This includes the dunk tank, ~~gossip, which is less racist and more misogynist~~ ~~also gossip but in Spanish which makes it less misogynist somehow, and also slightly more racist?~~ EL CHISME, and slop.
That's it. That's the post.
Adding another 
for getting rid of c/gossip and confining all slop to c/slop.
I love my slop, and it seems silly to try to classify it by notoriety
My suggestion is that comms not be divided into "good thing vs bad thing", but instead posts be categorized by who is involved and the material impact of the subject. People most often complain that there are posts about things that they don't care about, so basically this splits posts into order of material importance. We are materialists after all, right?
Category 1) news-worthy events
government actions
politicians doing things or talking about policy
world events
category 2) political events and formal commentary
political figure says something related to policy
political organizing
opinion essays/articles
category 3) cultural events (ex https://old.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/ )
political figure says something unrelated to policy
celebrity says something or does something insignificant
internet personality says something
social media trends
category 4) snark (ex r/ShitLiberalsSay)
stupid things that non-famous people say
non-famous internet posts that you hate
internet personalities that you would be ashamed to talk about in public
Category 4 is stuff that you can't explain to a stranger in public. Example, some misogynist on twitter writes a screed about women in video games.
Right now, c/gossip is most similar to category 3 and c/slop is most similar to category 4.
I also would like to consider the idea that "c/gossip" shouldn't just be dunking on things, but instead an observation of pop culture. Roger Waters. being pro-Palestine and Thom Yorke being a Zionist is kind-of in the same category of discussion. Someone who doesn't know or care about who Thom Yorke is, also probably doesn't care about Roger Waters.
Hexbear currently lacks a place for posting cultural events. There are niche entertainment comms, there's no comm for general cultural. Every newspaper has a culture/style section.
I think c/gossip should be a general pop culture discussion, which could include dunks on public figures, but also good things that celebrities do, or weird things that celebrities do. Let the commenter on the post decide whether the thing is good or bad.
Then have c/slop be the dredge comm where you can make fun of internet posts that you don't like.
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I’m fine with merging slop and chisme; while on paper the difference between them is clear, in practice the difference is too fuzzy to be meaningful.
As long as feedback is on the table, the one kind of post on here I don’t like are the ones that are like “check out this reactionary’s hot take” and then it’s a screenshot, or multiple screenshots, of a 30+ comment-deep thread from some random lemmy instance or subreddit. It doesn’t feel in the spirit of the comm, especially if the person posting it is involved in the screenshot exchange. Not sure if there could be a rule regarding it, maybe a lightly-enforced brevity rule?
Maybe just encourage posting it with stuff like CW: Cognitohazard rabbithole
Specifically: don't unite gossip and slop
If you’re willing to elaborate, I’d like to better understand:
And in case it’s not clear - I’d love to hear from anyone who agrees too. I upvoted because I want to understand, but presumably the other folks upvoting are doing so more out of agreement.
If I’m coming across as in any way combative in my replies elsewhere and anyone would like to provide their thoughts without having me engage with them further, I’d like to also make it clear that if you want to “pre-emptively disengage from further comments” just let me know and I’ll not reply.
Maybe not comm-specific enough, but why not just ditch rule #8?
I don't really see a reason for this and c/gossip to be separated. Is there a way to tell how many users are subbed to one but not the other? My guess is very few if any.
Having two coms for one thing is kinda silly. I really don't get why it was done
The original idea is that looking at posts of something that a random internet user with no platform and no power said as if it mattered is akin to digital self harm. Initially it was implemented as a blanket ban with no comm where it was allowed, but this comm was added as a substitute. Obviously a lot of people disapproved of it because it felt like admins were stepping in to take away content that users wanted to have, or were unnecessarily making a distinction where none was necessary. Hence the current situation where few users find that rule to be any good at all.
I thought it was because people had been annoyed at posts about random nobodies filling up the comm? If it was some paternalistic impulse that started the rule, then that sucks.
There may have been some people who felt that way, yeah. But they were either a minority or far less vocal than those who felt the mods were making a change for no reason.
honestly I think the slop takes of important public figures can be just as much self-harm. Have you seen the kind of things Elon Musk posts?
If important people ever say anything worth hearing about, it'll end up in c/news.
slop backwards is pols
I like the grab-bag slop-trough approach of Lemmy drama, random reactionaries on twitter, literal AI slop, posts that belong in other comms, etc.
I'd be interested to see if there's anything people would like either more of or less of.
Mfs in the comments saying "oh, merge c/slop and c/gossip" don't know what the preparation for a decapitation strike looks like, apparently.
In seriousness, the distinction between the two comms is too esoteric to be enforceable and most people don't read the sidebar.
Merge would be fine, though I am putting a card down for "6 months from now c/trough splinters into 12 comms that differ only on some hyper-specific ideological point".
Merge would be fine, though I am putting a card down for "6 months from now c/trough splinters into 12 comms that differ only on some hyper-specific ideological point".
Bring back main as the only comm
