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[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 49 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Can't be put to work abducting civilians if they're busy handing out food.

Can we make "defend the civilians picking up food from abduction and harassment by masked goons claiming to be ICE" part of their remit? And tell them to follow the same tactics of "grab and ziptie them first, then confiscate ID and claim it's fake"?

[–] tal@lemmy.today 22 points 5 months ago

Can’t be put to work abducting civilians if they’re busy handing out food.

Not true.

Normally the National Guard in each state is under state control, under command of the state governor.

What the federal Executive Branch can do is "federalize" it, which shifts it to being under federal control.

When Trump has been doing his political theater deployments to "fight crime", he's been federalizing National Guard units, and then sending them to cities.

California is using the California National Guard here to distribute food. That's under state control.

If a unit gets federalized, it passes to federal control. So Trump can yank them off whatever the state has them doing. Them doing state work doesn't prevent them from being federalized.

There are state militias that can only be under state control that are not subject to federalization, but they're much-less significant than the National Guard, and in that case, you wouldn't need to order them to do something else to prevent federalization, because they couldn't be federalized anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_(United_States)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_defense_force

In the United States, state defense forces (SDFs) are military units that operate under the sole authority of a state government. State defense forces are authorized by state and federal law and are under the command of the governor of each state.[1][2][3]

I didn't think that California actually had a state defense force, but apparently it does; there's an image right at the top of the the WP page of a California National Guard member being trained by a California state defense member.

English: U.S. Army Spc. Lisseth Puchaicela, right, human resources specialist with the 224th Sustainment Brigade, receives preliminary marksmanship instruction from California State Military Reserve (CSMR) Air Force Staff Sgt. Frankie De Guzman, rangemaster with the 146th Airlift Wing, at Long Beach Armory, California, May 19, 2019. The CSMR trains with and enhances the federal readiness of the California National Guard. (U.S. Army National Guard Photo by Staff Sgt. Matthew Ramelb)

Huh. Not very large, though, less than a thousand people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Guard

Role: Provide an adequately trained and organized State military reserve force under the exclusive control of the Governor

Size: 900+

Compare to the California National Guard:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_National_Guard

Size: 24,000 (as of 2025)

[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Good on California for understanding and being decent

[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 14 points 5 months ago

Forget the culture wars. Exercising decency towards those of lower power is the best way to fight back.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 30 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What a fucking concept: the government we all fund actually helping its people during hard times. The federal DoA is stopping food payments next month.

Aside from the massive (further) hardship millions of families will feel, will we be told we don't have to pay our taxes? Will we be issued refunds? Fuck no.

[–] urandom@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

don’t have to pay our taxes

Apparently your senators are still getting paid, and the military. So you have to pay them

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Must be nice for all these republicans to have more time to vacation with their donors, gay lovers and/or mistresses.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago (2 children)

One part of the American military working against another part of the American military.

This has been true for a few years, but welcome to civil war!

(We always knew California was going to be a breakaway state.)

[–] n0respect@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

I hope they wear body cameras. For their safety at the inevitable NG vs ICE clash at a food bank.

[–] Ironfist79@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

NCR for life.

[–] MyOpinion@lemmy.myserv.one 16 points 5 months ago

Good to see someone trying to do some good in these evil times. To hell with all these evil MAGAts.

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (3 children)

The US Federal government is at best dysfunctional and at worst actively and aggressively harmful. I think it's time for states to try and become more self sufficient and less reliant on the Federal government. Other nations are trying to divorce themselves from the US Federal government, American states might want to do the same thing.

[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Omg peter thiel is that you? I think we should fight for reform. Fuck those who are blatantly attempting to steal it from we the people. The government is not a monolith. Stop pretending it is.

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Omg peter thiel is that you?

No.

I think we should fight for reform.

Go for it.

[–] capital_sniff@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That is def one way to accelerate the decline of this American Empire.

[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Yes exactly. Is the decline of Amerikkkan Empire supposed to be a bad thing?

[–] capital_sniff@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

I guess it depends on which side of the boot you find yourself on. Also probably need to account for the folks totally unaware of the system for which they work. Off the top of my head I'd guess the economic top 20% are fairly happy with the empire continuing and toss in a large chunk of Trump supporters something like 30% of our population. Obviously there is overlap between these two groups, but I'd guess somewhere between 30% to 40ish% would be opposed to the US empire declining further.

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Decline is one thing, fracturing is another.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

Yugoslav wars 2: American fustercluck! LETS FUCKEN GO!

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago

The main issue is that the federal government is still stealing a ton of our money without providing anything in return. Until we have a federal tax strike any balkanization efforts will fail.

[–] ooterness@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

California is fast-tracking up to $80 million in state funds... SNAP food benefits for 5.5 million Californians.

It's a good start, but is $14.55 per hungry person really going to make a difference?

[–] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

Lower down it says that the $80M is to keep food banks stocked. That money will go a lot farther with food banks negotiating bulk deals than a person trying to buy groceries on their own. Not sure which they’ll actually be doing. Still not a lot though.

deploying California’s National Guard and California Volunteers to strengthen food distribution and invest $80 million to keep food banks stocked.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago

I've volunteered often at food banks. The answer is absolutely yes.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

State governments can’t just print money like the federal government can. It has to come from somewhere, and is not unlimited.