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It amazes me how many people on this site are still going to bat for Platner after this has come out. I think this post does a good job of pointing out why the defense I keep seeing on here about him not knowing what it meant falls flat. Dude is a military history buff and someone doesn’t know what that incredibly famous image means? I don’t buy it for a second. Maybe twenty years ago when he got it, but zero chance that hasn’t been brought to his attention by now. Especially with the report that he used to go around and tell people that that’s exactly what it was.
I dunno man, Susan Collins or a secret Nazi. It’s a tough choice.
Edit: The sad thing is that I don’t even know if I’m being sarcastic…
My dad got a Confederate flag tattoo under identical circumstances when he was in the military. Years later when he realized how dumb it was he got it covered up.
My brother, a union mechanic in a deeply rural area and served in the military, never identified as socialist or communist. And when he saw a coworker with a deaths head sticker on his hard had immediately knew what it was, and called me.
I'm sorry, this guy is either a deep operator or incredibly dumb. His leftism isn't practical, its just ideas. If he's just mistaken, that's fair. Go out and get some actual experience. But he is disqualified to lead our movements, for a very long time.
When this big tough white middle aged oyster farmer gets arrested and tortured by Israeli military for trying to smuggle aid into Gaza, when he has successfully run local campaigns that have had a real lasting positive effect on the lives of our most vulnerable workers, then let's have a frank conversation about his qualifications for office.
I actually know someone who was on the Gaza flotilla. This guy is a joke.
Well, someone should tell her that many truly are that "painfully stupid".
on Friday a series of Reddit posts made by Platner between 2013 and 2021 — and deleted before his campaign — in which he called himself a “communist,” referred to law enforcement officers as “bastards” and downplayed the severity sexual assault reports
One of those things is not like the others
Our senators have got skulls on them. Are.. are we the baddies?
I'm willing to believe that maybe through some crazy chain of events you didn't know when you got it. I'm maybe even willing to believe that through some crazy chain of events you didn't learn about it for 18 years. What I am not willing to believe is that when he decided to run, nobody in his team told him. He should have gotten it covered or removed. They go through your life looking for anything bad because they know the opposition will. All this combined, there's 0% chance he just learned now. For some reason they're playing this weird game. The most generous interpretation I can come up with is that he feels attachment to it and doesn't wanna get rid of it, but even that's pretty fucked. You can't keep your racist tattoo just because you're nostalgic for it.
the antisemitism group Anti-Defamation League
Looks like they accidentally described a zionist group accurately!
So deeply depressing when "anti-Semitism" is increasingly cover for "pro-fascism".
Okay, so having learned that, the laser treatment to remove it is probably in his calendar already, right? And he'll be able to show everyone that it's removed quite soon?
Right?
edit Right.
He's said that he's getting it removed.
Now we have to wait and see if he sticks to that.
The guy with 5 separate compact tours who was deployed in the same cities and time of Blackwater documented war crimes of killings and rapings in Ramadi and Faillujah, and kept rejoinging the same ill-trained war-criminal military contrator for 13 years of US imperalism invovlment in third-world countries that left them in poverty and ruins ?? Wait, he also has histroy of sexual assault allegations, rape and racist comments, and a nazi tattoo??
Edit: it turned out he only joined blackwater after they were rebranded as Constellis due to their war crime convictions. he also apologized for his rape and racist comments after people found out about them. and about the tattoos he said it was from anime or whatever but it's not nazi symbol. He is still proud of his 5 compact tours of shame US invasions over the period of 13 years though as if he can't stop reminiscing about the memories of seeing brown people killed.
Imo, he is conciousless af, and ready to lie and adapt to tell you whatever you want to hear, and he's so eager to be in position of power... So it all checks out; he is perfect for the job of a conciousless lip-service politician with values open for sale to the highest bidder.
The symbol in question:
I mean......I can kinda get why he didn't know. That looks like one of those blobs therapists use to figure out what you see.
I don't even see a skull and bones. I see a fish, with a railroad crossing sign on it's belly.
Even side by side, I barely see the resemblance. I guess that's what it's supposed to be, but I could easily be convinced if you show me a fish with a railroad sign on it's belly.
I can fully understand how he didn't know. I don't understand why he got a tattoo he had no strong attatchments to however. He should have at least known WHAT he was getting tattood in the first place.
In any event, nazi affiliation, no nazi affiliation, can we all agree that it's a shit tattoo either way?
It probably isn't as blurry in a mirror as it is in a flip phone video from 2015.
https://www.grahamforsenate.com/platform
- I don't believe he's a nazi. The reddit posts make me think he was never a far right guy. He was just a military guy trying to figure stuff out.
- If anyone in the election has like 90% of his platform, they can get my vote. Until I see momentum behind a candidate that supports universal healthcare, is against the genocide in Gaza, and the dozen other progressive issues, he'll still get my support.
Getting someone that has the history and look of Platner to be fighting for progessive values is important. If we can get 20 somethings who would fall to right wing propaganda to pay attention to Platner and his growth story, we can build a better society for a lot of people.
But according to a person who socialized with Platner when he was living in Washington, D.C., more than a decade ago, Platner had specifically acknowledged that the tattoo was a Totenkopf, the "death's head" symbol adopted by an infamous Nazi SS unit that guarded concentration camps in World War II.
"He said, 'Oh, this is my Totenkopf," the former acquaintance told Jewish Insider recently, speaking on the condition of anonymity to address a sensitive issue. "He said it in a cutesy little way."
The exchange occurred in 2012 at Tune Inn, a popular dive on Capitol Hill where Platner later worked as a bartender and was a frequent patron while he attended The George Washington University on the G.I. bill, according to the former acquaintance. He would often take his shirt off drinking with friends late at night at the bar, and on at least one occasion had stated he knew what the tattoo represented, the former acquaintance recalled.
Platner gave varying accounts of the image during this time, saying at one point he was aware it was a Totenkopf when he had first gotten the tattoo several years prior and at another time claiming he had not known, according to the former acquaintance.
The mixed accounts indicate that Platner has at least long been aware of the symbols's connection to Nazism, even as he said in the podcast interview he was not familiar with any such association when he chose to get the tattoo.
The source for this is Jewish Insider, which I’m sure people will say whatever they are going to say about that, but at some point this guys multiple red flags need to be taken as a pattern.
Dude has a very clear pattern of making questionable choices in the most favorable reading of circumstances. His former campaign manager said this when resigning over Grahams past comments:
“The words we choose to use online reflect who we are and what we stand for. While I am empathetic to Graham’s experiences and respect his personal journey and growth, I cannot overlook the volume and nature of his past comments, many of which were made as an adult, not as a young man.” McDonald said in her resignation letter.
Y’all need to stop apologizing for this guy and start looking for a better candidate to get behind so it isn’t Janet Mills in the general.
Sen. Bernie Sanders, who strongly backed Platner earlier this month, said the revelations about Platner do not impact his endorsement.
“He went through a dark period,” Sanders told reporters on Tuesday. “He has apologized for the stupid remarks, the hurtful remarks that he made, and I’m confident that he’s going to run a great campaign and that he’s going to win.”
Vermont Sen. Peter Welch also told NOTUS on Tuesday that he is confident “Mainers will figure it out.”
Cynthia Phinney, president of the Maine AFL-CIO, said she had not seen reports about Platner’s tattoo and the controversy surrounding it. But she made clear she thought the negative news about Platner was a result of meddling from the national Democratic Party.
“I’m disappointed with the apparent engagement of the national party in our state primary the way this is coming out,” Phinney said.
Phinney said that she didn’t have proof that the national party was behind the emergence of a series of damaging news stories about his campaign but that she thought the “mudslinging” was unhelpful regardless of its source.
“I don’t think this is adding to the quality of what people are getting to think about in the campaign,” she said. “The important thing to me is to replace Suan Collins.”
When asked about the reports, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer threw his weight behind Mills’ campaign.
“We think that Janet Mills is the best candidate to retire Susan Collins. She’s a tested two-term governor and the people of Maine have an enormous amount of affection and respect for her,” he said, adding: “I’ll let the people of Maine decide.”
Color me shocked. A smear campaign by the DNC to fight progressives?
I'm sorry, but an actual Nazi can't pretend to be progressive long enough to finish a sentence, let alone get an endorsement from Bernie Sanders.
I live in Maine and EVERYONE hates Janet Mills. She's been better than lepage, I guess, but not by a lot. Milquetoast at best. Voting for her would be once again holding my nose and voting for the D over the R
Something about a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Its more a wolf in wolf's clothing saying he didn't realize its wolf's clothing
To be fair, I didn't even know what a Totenkopf was before yesterday. Yes, I'm an American zoomer. This goes to show how shite our US history public education is.
And Platner said that he underwent multiple inspections by the military. Not one of those times did the military point out that his tattoo was a hate symbol. Should they have? Would they have? Clearly not.
Now that he knows the "truth", whether you agree that this is his first time learning about the symbol or not, he needs to cover it up or have it removed. Post pictures on social media. Make it a big thing so the fascists and tankies don't call you a communist and Nazi all at the same time.
If he doesn't get it removed, well then I'm not sure if I want to back him.
Oof
Ouch
The old comments were easily forgivable
A literal Nazi tattoo is something else :/
This is a complicated story. Reddit somehow released his username and tied it to him? No one has said how they were tied together.
The Washington Post reported Platner downplayed concerns about sexual assault in posts from 2013. CNN reported he labeled all White Americans in rural areas as racist and stupid in one 2020 post and said all cops are “bastards” in a 2021 post. The Bangor Daily News reported Platner asked why Black people “don’t tip” in a 2013 post.
Now he has a nazi tattoo that he didn't know was a nazi tattoo. That may be true? I don't know. He's going up against Susan Collins. I can't imagine the DNC wanting her over anyone.
I think bookending the two recent quotes with the obviously more problematic quotes from 8 years prior is intentional. A lot can change in 8 years, especially when you transition from military to civilian life. I think the ACAB sentiment he expressed in 2021 shows growth.
(Anecdotal bias incoming) The comment on rural white Americans, while inflammatory and unhelpful, isn't all that off-base in my experience. If you are born into, grow up in and stay within the same rural 10 mile radius your entire life you tend to lack perspective to say the least. Growing up in a town or village that is 90%+ white provides no frame of reference for the varying struggles people of color experience.
I grew up in one such town. Demographics were roughly 90% white, 10% Hispanic. I didn't have a black classmate until junior year of high school and I don't want to speculate about the reception they received.
As for stupidity, acquiring knowledge is at best unemphasized and at worst actively, intentionally discouraged. Willful ignorance may be a more accurate term.
There are certainly children curious enough to seek out knowledge and learn about other human experiences (hi) but I'm still struggling to escape that bucket of crabs and it has consumed and scarred me. The access to quality healthcare was abysmal, employment was primarily factory-based and starting from a place of low familial wealth is something I've struggled against my entire adult life. I'd venture a guess that he was raised in a similar setting and was only able to escape via military service.
In short; I agree with the sentiments he's expressed recently. I vehemently disagree with the sentiments he expressed over a decade ago. I'm willing to believe the tattoo was an arbitrarily chosen flash piece done in Croatia during his time in the Marines. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I'll never be his constituent so my opinion ultimately means jack shit.
This thread makes me believe Heritage Foundation troll factories are now operating within Lemmy as well. Nobody can be this dense.
Seems like it’s become in fashion to blame ignorance over your shitty beliefs, instead of owning own your choices like a responsible adult.
I'm sure he won't mind live streaming the removal then.
I feel like you have to try to find a tattooist in Croatia in the mid aughts willing to ink an ss symbol on an American military member. Like I've never been there but I know in America it's a pain in the ass to get a swastika or ss lightning bolt tattoo because most artists won't do it, and this is America where we skim history in schools
I would be gobsmacked if it turns out the DNC is not behind this smear campaign. They ratfuck primaries like nobody’s business, and in true Dem fashion, it’s so they can try to get a literal 80 year old into power instead. Fucking moron democrats never learn a damn thing.
edit: saw Platner address this on pod save. Don’t think he knew. I think he should just get the tat covered, make an apology statement, and move on.
Military murderer does drunken Nazi culture things while being paid to spread capitalism with violence. Doesn't apologize.