“You wanna see torture, I’ll show you torture!”
-Every army reservist vet on twitter who’s pissed they were never deployed to Iraq to do water boarding.
this post was submitted on 16 Oct 2025
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Greta's struggle is going to be looked on so fucking kindly by history. Neurodivergent little girl hated by a huge chunk of the world and yet she carries on fighting, even harder and more radical than before. Yeah ok she's obviously more of a young woman now than the little girl she was before but that doesn't change the fact that she absolutely was when she started it all.
Within the next 10 years she's going to say she's a communist. She already very clearly opposes capitalism and uses marxist language to describe its problems. It's just a matter of time for her to gain confidence to use the word and say it with pride.
Liberals will try to deradicalise and canonise her posthumously.
This site is going to spontaneously combust when she comes out as a Trot
lathe privileges REVOKED
I think if she came out as a Trot I'd just nod and smile because whomst among us is innocent
Also I think Jeremy Corbyn used to call himself a Trot and this site loves that guy
Also I think Jeremy Corbyn used to call himself a Trot and this site loves that guy
i think most of that goodwill has gone with the debacle of the new party
praxis outweighs nerd points 
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It would be nice if she had a more comprehensive understanding of theory, particularly economic and industrial, God knows we have too many activists and humanities in the mix. But she is doing good things, not bad things, and that is enough for me.
The Snopes article is basically We have no idea what's going on. Here are some social media links, make your own conclusions. Which seems like the opposite of fact checking.
I think it's fairly likely that the abuse amounts to torture but Greta says that people should rather talk and worry about the Palestinians and she is right.
Snopes does this shit any time the liberal worldview is threatened
Whenever they have to confront the inevitable "liberal politician ate small children for fun" story, the conclusion is that whatever objectively terrible thing the aforementioned liberal committed was being reported on improperly so that they can justify giving it a 'Half True' rather than just 'True'.
They didn't do a rating at all.
Yes, publically available truth does not exist for this claim, which is why Snopes doesn't even have to rate it.
The fact that this is a woman who speaks truth to power saying it, a woman who hates lies and hates to lie, versus the Zionazi state...they obviously don't take that into account, because of what ScaredExcrement has correctly pointed out.
They'd give it a 'half true' if Israel showed photos of the torture, because they wouldn't be able to verify that it wasn't a photo op.
A true ally.
I really want someone to do a deeper analysis of snopes and politifact. I know FAIR and citations needed have criticized them, but I would love a deeper dive into that stuff. Cause there is something truly dystopian about them
edit: did find this great effort post https://hexbear.net/post/3784740
The "half-true" laundering is bigger with Politifact than with Snopes I think.
The Media Bias/Fact Check thing goes way beyond that. The methodic and dataset is made up by a random guy but is uncritically adopted by university researchers. So there is now entire field of study based on one guys sense of vibes.
Yeah that's why I want deep dives. The entire system of fact checking is a propaganda coup de grace. Western journalism at its core is deeply fucked, and so hard to critique in its totality because it reinforces itself. Any opposition is "fake news" or conspiracy theories.
The media bias research seems more, deeply unserious and fundamentally flawed rather than malicious to me.
Fact checking has the problem that it's annoying as fuck on top of all. I don't think that Snopes is actually all that evil.
PolitiFact seems a lot more clearly biased. Billionaire funded too.
The malice is in the worldview they are regurgitating. Creating this idea of objective untouchable journalism means every story that really matters, that they or their peers fuck up or skew is protected from criticism. So something like snopes backs up something like politifact which reinforces NYT, which regurgitates the state dept. The whole field is arrayed to lend itself credence and make us look insane.
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Intentional mistreatment and abuse for the purpose of harm is torture
Maybe he'd prefer if it was called 'advanced interrogation techniques'
"That can't be torture because torture is what bad guys do, and that's what i did when I was a troop, so it would mean i'm a bad guy, and people shouldn't thank me for my service and give me discounts at the drop of a hat"
- this guy, probably.
The only thing I can think. The implication that I imagine dripping from the post is "if that's torture, then I saw my side torture! How could it be torture if we're not pulling teeth and shit?!"
I want nothing but the absolute worst towards all US vets
Normalize violence against veterans
I knew I had a good manager at one job when we were complaining about a rude customer who kept saying he was a veteran, I said "maybe if he fought the Nazis I'd care more" and he says "Not even, who do you think inspired the Nazis?!"
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Same energy as a guy who tried to tell me that forced sleep deprivation wasn't torture because he sometimes went without sleep for his college work
it's actually not torture unless it comes from the torture region of france.
how the hell do libs manage to be the worst at social media even when the other site is run by nazis?
You can take your lEgAL dEfIniTIoN and shove it bucko
faint weeping noises
I've realized I don't have what it takes to argue with people about politics face to face. They pull out a take like this and my brain needs to perform a full reboot before I can continue.
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We mistreated and abused some folks
“Umm actually, it’s not torture because she is unpopular! And somehow having unpopular opinions makes it not torture!”
Can normies show me where in the definition of torture where it’s not considered torture if the victim doesn’t have all the popular opinions?
“mistreated and abused”. under captivity by an armed occupation
so, tortured.
As he worked for the US army he might have some expertise in torture. Hard to say on thsi one.
Stop saying she was tortured.
You are the only one saying it.
Pat I'm in a communist ~~compound~~ shit posting site right now and it's warm as hell we got stoves and like fifty ~~blankets~~ posts saying she was tortured you fucking loser
She was mistreated and abused.
This part is the only thing I don't disagree with
That does not meet the legal definition.
:Technically kicking a bound immobile prisoner repeatedly for being touched by moving object we put in her vicinity doesn't count as torture.
Just stop spreading lies
Zionist-lite dog
Matt Bors really created the most usable meme template of all time.
Real talk Greta is braver than every troop combined
"It's abuse and mistreatment not torture" is very "It's Heebie-Jeebiesphilia, not pedophilia" coded. 
This is someone who posts/reposts hundreds of times a day but somehow also thinks that until something is corroborated, it's just a rumour and should be treated as lies. Considering how quick their fact verification capability must be, you’d think this one claim wouldn’t be much bother…
Though they did at least reconsider once they were given sources they deemed “credible”.
This is the sort of self-own you just gotta let someone run with
okay bro it's literally still bad????
and he's still wrong with the torture denial??
ya hate to see them, but these lib army vets are quite common
Unrelated: We (hexbear and lemmygrad) should write a letter to the participants in the floatilla. I know every one of us, down to the the last user, is just as proud as I am of them. I know they don't want to center themselves in this, but they are fucking heros and deserve a moment of acknowledgement. I don't think that necessarily takes any breath away from the victims of the IOF.
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I know wikipedia have flaws but I like to quote them the "genocide denialism" article, the part where they say "denialists may enter endless definitional or semantic arguments"
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