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"It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views," Jean-Pierre said. "There is no 'yes or no' answer to this, it is complicated. There is a rule that the Department of Education [DOE] has put forward, and we're going to let that process move forward, and again, we want to make sure that while we establish guardrails with this rule, we also prevent discrimination, as well, against transgender kids. But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that."

"Absolutely no reason for the Biden admin to do this," New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wrote. "It is indefensible and embarrassing. The admin can still walk this back, and they should. It's a disgrace."

"Honestly, this move by Biden to push a rule on trans kids in sports is not only a backwards betrayal, it [forces] us to have to spend our time dealing with god d*** sports instead of criminal bans on our healthcare," Alejandra Caraballo, a civil rights attorney and LGBTQ+ advocate, wrote. "He could have just done nothing. This is legitimizing transphobia."

The mOsT PrOgReSsIvE Administration in History™ funny-clown-hammer "A complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that" funny-clown-hammer Fuck off out of here with that "centrist" nonsense. There's nothing complicated about it, and it's not an issue unless you want to turn it into one and want to appeal to people's emotions like Republicans are doing. It was only a matter of time before they'd start throwing trans people under the bus. I guess with the coming elections it's as good a time as ever.

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[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Clearly we need to ban all sports until we can figure out and resolve what the fuck is wrong with Americans.

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What if we need to ban all Amerikans until we know what the fuck is wrong with sports?

[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

This also works

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[–] betelgeuse@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just in case anyone from other instances are stopping by, this is how liberal democracy leads to fascism. You have a right wing party that wants to criminalize being trans while tacitly supporting physical violence and extermination. The only viable opposition party can't even use decisive language about the validity and existence of trans people among cis people. Because it might hurt their polling.

Now the strongest, political position from the "left" is "it's complicated." So when the right starts being very clear about violence and carrying it out through official state entities, the new left position will be even more to the right. Because they already gave up on "Trans people should participate in the things cis people do." So it's not even about trans people living a normal life. Historically, by the time we get there, it doesn't matter what the left position is anymore. Because the right has taken over and are putting people in camps.

This is why it's so very annoying to hear about harm reduction and voting the lesser evil. That's not how it works. One hand washes the other. The lesser evil just leads to greater evil getting strong anyways. It doesn't stop it or bide you time. The only lesser evil is violent revolution, which is only evil if you don't understand what's at stake here.

[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm one of those people from other instances stopping by that hasn't thought a lot about this issue.

It's a shame that US politics seems to be so boolean. As in, the only acceptable position for a political party is the polar opposite of their opposition.

What if an issue is genuinely complicated and cannot be resolved by a three word statement of position? Can there be no discussion around that?

[–] KarlBarqs@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

What if an issue is genuinely complicated and cannot be resolved by a three word statement of position? Can there be no discussion around that?

That's fine if it's an issue that is worthy of debate.

We're talking here specifically about the rights and survival of human beings, and in that kind of case, no. There is no room for debate. There is no complexity. You either support people's right to live, or you don't. There fundamentally cannot be a grey area here; any response that includes the words "yes, but" automatically cedes ground to fascists.

[–] Freeanotherday@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

Libs get the wall too.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Trans people matter, sports don't.

[–] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wholeheartedly agree, I have yet to see this take in person

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What stands out to me is that the people worrying the most about trans people in womens' sports are the same ones who were making fun of womens' sports specifically right up until they realized they could use it to attack trans people.

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[–] axont@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I remember reading that when Utah did their ban on trans athletes in school sports, there was exactly one trans girl playing in a girls' sport in the whole state. Exactly one. Statewide legislature passing laws focused on one person, a child.

All this scrutiny and transphobia is directed at literal children, many of whom might be the only trans athlete out of millions. Transphobia is such a disgusting thing to me, not only because of the chauvinism and bigotry, but because it's just so senseless. Trans people are already rare enough as it is and also one of the most vulnerable populations in regards to poverty, assault, unemployment, etc. I've seen some statistics saying that only around 1,000 people in America initiate HRT per year. That should give an idea of just how rare and vulnerable trans people are. And now there's a senseless cultural panic just to whip up a few more eyeballs on the spectacle?

Death to America

[–] SlyBlue@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've seen some statistics saying that only around 1,000 people in America initiate HRT per year.

Can I get a source on that? Can't find one myself but I live in the gay city so it might just seem like more

[–] axont@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Found a summary of a 2015 John Hopkins study.

Estimates vary widely but it is believed that between 3,000 and 9,000 Americans undergo sex reassignment surgery each year. Transition medical care can include hormone replacement therapy, mastectomy, plastic surgery, psychotherapy and more.

It doesn't seem like there's a good central source on numbers like this. John Hopkins is a respected medical institution and even they're saying "estimates vary widely" and "It's believed." I think part of it is this isn't recorded in census data and perhaps most trans people who get HRT or GRS are kinda private about it? No idea, but it's still so absurd to me that reactionaries have decided trans people are their mortal enemy now. Trans people are incredibly rare and they're much poorer and more vulnerable than cis people.

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[–] Fibby@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Okay, so democrats may not be harm reduction, but they'll... checks notes ...look the other way as others cause harm?

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[–] Owl@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Kids can be up to a year older than their classmates due to the way kindergarten start date cutoffs work. These kids who arbitrarily end up older tend to outperform their peers, because a 7.9 year old is stronger and faster than a 7 year old. This is a real difference - the NHL did a study on this and found that their players disproportionately have early-year birthdays due to how this effect lines up with hockey camps.

Do you care? Of course not, nobody cares about the competitive fairness of kids' sports, the point is just to get them to exercise and have a hobby. We can verify that nobody takes this seriously by looking at high school sports, where suddenly a four year age gap is acceptable.

Okay, so why does this suddenly matter when it's what team a trans kid should be on?

[–] M68040@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

do not cede ground to the right. for god's sakes, do not cede ground to the right.

[–] JohannaChittarra@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

Wow! I love having my continued existence being labelled “complicated” by people in high elected offices.

[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Gotta love all the liberals coming in here telling us why it's "complicated", while pointing out they support trans right. No, you don't support trans rights. Because if you did, you wouldn't undermine those rights by parroting the same talking points as conservatives; talking points that are based on willfully ignoring facts, and even the lack of evidence that this is an issue that exists in the first place. It also gets tiring seeing those same people act like they know how trans people's bodies work, and not even acknowledge the fact that trans people go through biological changes if they can get gender affirming care, and are very comparable to their cis counterparts. The medical science on it is right there, and trans people's own experiences are living proof as well. But it's easier forming bullshit "opinions" instead, especially if you have a certain agenda (conservatives), or just don't care about said minority as much as you think you do.

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[–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] D61@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

That transgender people aren't allowed to play ... well.. pretty much any sports with their non-trans peers.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Oh nice this is on /all/ now. I'd just like to say that anyone that supports democrats after this deserves to be hit by a truck. That is all.

Eat shit, I genuinely hope physical harm comes to you.

On a tangential note, arm lgbt people.

amerikkka trans-gun

[–] ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

this

some lemm.ee lib reported this for “advocating violence” lol. theres a couple references to accidental physical harm and self defense, but no advocacy for illicit, intentional violence!

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

The violence being perpetrated against trans people by liberals happened first. I have dead friends because of these fucks.

Fighting back is self defence. They advocated for institutional violence first. What do you think rules and laws are when they're targeted against the marginalised? If any of us break them do you think the system asks us nicely not to? No. It commits violence. That's not even considering the amount of trans people that actively kill themselves over the day to day hellscape liberals have created for the marginalised, but most particularly for trans people.

Eat shit libs. All you care about is brunch and treats while everyone beneath you gets fucking crushed.

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

In a better world, the right-wing position is to give every LGBT+ person an assault rifle. The centrist position is to give every LGBT+ person a bazooka. The left-wing position is to give every LGBT+ person a railgun. The communist position is to give every LGBT+ person a heavily-armed 30 foot tall mech.

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Besides what everyone else is saying in defense of trans rights which are human rights, I want to add a tangential point. I wouldn't ever want my elected representative to think an issue is complicated. I sent you to the executive branch to exercise power on my behalf. Not to exercise fairness, not to exercise @Civility@hexbear.net . No, motherfucker, we WON, fucking act like it. I don't need the issue explained to me, you're not a salesman. You don't propose shit; I do. If you're the one for the job, I vote for you. You are my public servant. I don't know what drivel they taught you for that bullshit law degree, but it's clouded you to the reality that your will, desire, and vision for the country as an elected official is secondary to mine. The issue is not complicated as far as you're concerned; we'll tell you what the answer is.

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[–] pisstoria@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

yeah, it's a complicated issue when you're implementing mandatory penis inspections. very simple non-issue if you don't do mandatory penis inspections. even more of a non-issue if sports scholarships were completely unnecessary for obtaining an affordable education

[–] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

In what others have described as a total shutdown of the Biden regime's statement, a user on Lemmy has replied, "it is not complicated." Other members said the response was "based" and that Biden was "owned by facts and logic." When reached for comment, President Joe Biden said "What? Hey man I'll--" and was interrupted by falling into his own toilet.

[–] GrumpigPoopBalls@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

john-brown I GrumpigPoopBalls am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood

[–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

"It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views," Jean-Pierre said

"China is a big country, inhabited by many Chinese" -Charles de Gaulle

[–] Judge_Jury@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

-cucks

[–] Magician@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

This sports transphobia is mostly directed at trans girls/femme/women, right?

Are they doing this shit to AFAB people in men's sports?

Regardless all this discourse is wrapped up in misogyny too, implying that people AFAB are always going to be worse at sports.

And it doesn't take into account the general unfairness in sports. Some people are born into wealthy families who can afford to feed their kids, get them healthcare, and train them into sports.

It's all the talking points about affirmative action, just in a different font.

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Are they doing this shit to AFAB people in men's sports?

chess is lmao

[–] milistanaccount09@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

yes. You will notice though that the primary direction of transphobic rhetoric is aimed at trans women and not trans men. this is a result of misogyny at its core. this is part of the phenomenon of transmisogyny, the intersection of misogyny and transphobia

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (6 children)

It is also about patriarchy in that it is seen as a problem for a man to give up his patriarchal benefits, while it is seen as a virtue for women to seek patriarchal benefits. Same reason that gay men always suffered more gay hate than lesbians, the appearance of taking on the "feminine" role is viewed as a threat to patriarchy.

[–] milistanaccount09@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And in a world where modern psychology was founded upon the teaching that all young girls suffer from penis envy, most people think striving for masculinity seems like a perfectly reasonable goal. Author and sex activist Patrick Califia, who is a trans man, addresses this in his 1997 book Sex Changes: The Politics of Transgenderism: “It seems the world is still more titillated by ‘a man who wants to become a woman’ than it is by ‘a woman who wants to become a man.’ The first is scandalous, the latter is taken for granted. This reflects the very different levels of privilege men and women have in our society. Of course women want to be men, the general attitude seems to be, and of course they can’t. And that’s that.”

Once we recognize how media coverage of transsexuals is informed by the different values our society assigns to femaleness and maleness, it becomes obvious that virtually all attempts to sensationalize and deride trans women are built on a foundation of unspoken misogyny. Since most people cannot fathom why someone would give up male privilege and power in order to become a relatively disempowered female, they assume that trans women transition primarily as a way of obtaining the one type of power that women are perceived to have in our society: the ability to express femininity and to attract men.

Whipping Girl, by Julia Serano

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Transphobia directed at transmascs is also always mysogynist in nature. Its core concepts are toxic notions of masculinity seen as unfullfillable for AFAB individuals, the maintainance of control over AFAB bodies as reproductive units and sexual objects, and the denial of agency to AFAB individuals, all due to their assigned "female" gender. Terfs routinely claim that trans men and transmasculine nonbinary people are just "confused girls" making a mistake, the entire terf discourse around the issue hinges on the concept not to let people designated as broodmares decide what to do with their uteruses because they are too emotional and irrational to make choices for themselves. It doesn't get more mysogynist than that, which is ironic when the target of the mysogyny are men, but that's bio-essentialism for you. When you want to see how fully seperated any and all terfs have become from the feminist roots at least some of them used to have, how deeply and utterly mysogynist they have become, ask them about trans dudes.

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[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that.

You don't have to though.

[–] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Give blockers to all the kids so they have equal playing field

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