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Maybe this is ignorant bc Islamophobia never went away or anything but it definitely feels like there was a real peak of Islamophobia during the Bush era and after Osama bin Laden was assasinated it sort of dropped off to lower levels. It’d come back at various times (eg Charlie Hebdo) and maybe I was in a bubble but I never heard “we should glass the Middle East” told as a half joke half actual position after 2011 until the recent genocide in Gaza. But it’s really been feeling like the Bush era recently. The “why can’t I criticize the religion stuck in the Middle Ages” from critics of religion, like the new atheists back in the day, the (actual) cancel culture. Idk i doubt im the first to notice this but just something I was thinking of today.

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[–] Kopfrkingl@hexbear.net 34 points 2 months ago (3 children)

The “why can’t I criticize the religion stuck in the Middle Ages”

These are the most obnoxious for me. While I am not a fan of any religion, the people that start with the middle ages crap are basically always arguing in bad faith or without the context that is vital. Islam is also what this type of people use to justify US intervention in regions like Iran; just say that Iranis are religious fanatics that will nuke the world at the first chance they get; it's the perfect narrative: dehumanize them and, at the same time, make them appear to be a big threat to "world peace" i.e. US hegemony.

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The only country in the world to have used nuclear arms (needlessly) against another another nation sure loves getting high and mighty about what other countries might do with nukes.

[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think it's a sense of unresolved guilt about that fact that the US used one on civilians and got away even without it being called out as a war crime — if the US could get away with it, what if another country decided it was payback time?

[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Islam "started in the middle ages" which is when Christians were dumping their shit onto Main Street and the Islamic world was actually the nexus of scientific advancement.

[–] 10TH_OF_SEPTEMBER_CALL@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Ever heard of the crusade when the french and germans went to palestine and check note fucking ATE a whole village, christians, arabs, jews, babies, wifes, whatever

Corroborated by both frank and arab sources.

[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I have definitely heard this story when I was young and interested in the crusades. For some reason, insane violent atrocities (in print at least) had no effect on me as a child, but thinking about this now, yeah pretty fucked up thing to do in the name of god.

According to the source it wasn't done in the name of god, they were (I quote) "just hungry"

Guess who taught the arabs to be misoginists.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Lol yeah. If you search through my comments you'll find I've been saying it feels like they've rebooted the "Post 9-11 World" for almost 4 years now. All the shit the privacy centered, left leaning folks were saying was gonna happen due to Bush era changes have basically happened. The details might be off, but they nailed the general arc.

Edit: for you kids out there. Back in the Bush era, "Post 9-11 World" was THE thought terminating epithet. You'd ask a politician if maybe cops shouldn't be doing a 'papers, please' to every light brown skinned person they see and all they'd have to do is start of by saying, "In this Post 9-11 World," and then bam they could get away with saying whatever they wanted.

[–] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sort of, but the "lower levels" were still very high. Maybe "glass" wasn't the word, but there was plenty of dehumanization and demonization of Iranis, Palestinians, Somalis, Syrians, for example.

Here's how I think of it: westerners' fear and hatred of Muslims, brown and black people, middle easterners, west Asians, MENA, however you want to describe these groups as, was always there. It would get louder whenever something happened that reminded westerners that people in these groups etc exist, and quieter when they could ignore us. Refugees going to Europe fleeing NATO foreign policy in the 2010 made islamophobia levels appear higher in Europe than 9/11 did because the Euros weren't as directly involved.

[–] rufuscrispo@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

louder whenever something happened that reminded westerners that people in these groups etc exist, and quieter when they could ignore us.

undeniably true, and it was there prior to the bush years. part of it is pure cope leftover from the supposed all-powerful west getting its shit rocked by opec, the deposing of the shah, and the so-called hostage crisis in the last quarter of the 20th century. to see the same thing in miniature, look how the usa treats haiti.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

“why can’t I criticize the religion stuck in the Middle Ages”

Because you're a piece of shit that supported genocide, you're not on a moral high ground here and you never ever will be again.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nothing is more hilarious than crackers acting like the moral high ground.

White Christians are all genocidal monsters and they did all of this not only first, but on a much larger scale. Everyone is ok with it.

I’m confused, can someone explain to me why one type of terrorist is wrong, but not the other type as they are “good terrorists”?

[–] 10TH_OF_SEPTEMBER_CALL@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Ez.

People with bigger gunz = human rights respecting democrats

People with smoller gunz = evil terroriss

[–] principalkohoutek@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Between the hateful Christians, the bumbling Republican president, the failing economy, the incompetent Democrats, and the virulent xenophobia, yeah it feels a lot like the bush years

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Unironically, I feel like a liberal again (or what liberals may think they are before just becoming leftists) but this time, I don’t think I can get the consolation prize of “at least Europe thinks we’re all stupid.” They’re joining in on this bullshit.

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

they mostly joined that bullshit as well, just with less enthusiasm than now

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago (3 children)

If liberals were half as opposed to genocide as they pretend to be, they'd give Islam at least a temporary pass for being the nexus of resistance to an ongoing genocide.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

No they're intolerant or something, which is why we have to kill them

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

The "civilizing mission" never ended.

[–] 10TH_OF_SEPTEMBER_CALL@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

everybody knowz blacks cant be trusted with women. When we're doing misogyny it's classy

also i care a lot about gays and trans. But only when talking about iran

"coz it's about religion, ya know these barbarians are all fundamentalists. In god we thrust"

[–] mistermodal@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Liberals would be more likely to give Islam a pass for technically including ISIS, gulf state monarchist families, and the silly fellows in Syria, Lebanon, or Iran who think they just need to be nice to Israelis and they won't get bombed

Have you seen the screenshot of Gunther Fehlinger chiding Slazac for not understanding ISIS is on Team NATO? :sly-dog:

[–] WrongOnTheInternet@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

Christians don't even get a pass if they're Arab

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Beyond just Islamophobia, it’s like the 2000s but worse.

Look at Twitter and how everyone is so fucking mean for no reason. I’ll spare y’all the rant, but one look at Twitter tells me everything I need to know about Americans.

And people wonder why I'm "asocial"...

[–] 10TH_OF_SEPTEMBER_CALL@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

dunno bro. My ma she was working at university. International admissions office. The idiots there were making life hell for african and arab students. One day they made a joke. "You know what's cuter than a baby in a stroller? An arab in a coffin lmao". She resigned on the spot. It all comes from algerian war in the french speaking world at least. Look up what the gegene was (or dont if you're sensible to torture really). My grandpa warned me about "those people". Now wifu's arab. Thanks grandpa you were an asshole anyway

But yeah there was some talk about how theres "too much of them" at family dinner. Time to trim the family tree lmao

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You know what's cuter than a baby in a stroller? An arab in a coffin lmao.

what-the-hell

french speaking world

yea

yea

It's slowly moving though. Last 10th of september the nazis wanted to do a "day of protest" by staying home and not using credit card.

People highjacked it and all took the street with paly flags and threw rocks at the cops lmao

France is skyzophrenic really. There's nazi france and based france.

[–] HamManBad@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's feeling increasingly like 2002-2003 to me, except the economy is somehow pre-dotcom crash. Trump standing in front of a big sign that said PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST gave big mission-accomplished-1 mission-accomplished-2 vibes

[–] rootsbreadandmakka@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

Haha absolutely how I felt

[–] sisatici@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I was looking at some rad fem posts on reddit. They were complaining how liberal feminism was enabling Islamic oppression. Quite unaware that You are allowed to criticise Islam because liberal feminism. If you were talking about how oppressive Judaism is during 1943, most peaceful feminist alive would have kicked you in the jaw

[–] rootsbreadandmakka@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

When the liberal feminism doesn’t allow me to support genocide walter-breakdown