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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's the new open source in the same way that it's the new left-handed bowling.

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Wired clickbait, sigh

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wired can suck a dick for that shitty comparison

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

It has its moments, but you are absolutely right - 25 years ago Wired would've torn modern Wired a new one for their clickbait speculative thinkpieces.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

vibe coding

Dear wired: the word is Slopping. With slop.

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

that word is so loaded for me - literally every time someone uses it regardless of context I remember The Godwinns theme and feel really old.

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 67 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Huh ?

Open source projects can be inherently insecure, outdated, or at risk of malicious takeover.

Because proprietary projects are immune to all that ? what is happening here ?

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago

Wired pushing corporate agenda is happening.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 83 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Ehhh, I don’t think the comparison they’re making here is right. Leaning on open source software is not just for lazy developers - it’s often the best architectural choice.

I can’t think of a situation where vibe coding is the best choice except for when speed matters much more than quality, and even then only sometimes.

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's only the best option if you are a grifter or grifting the grifter. vibe coding is running roughshod the outsourcing industry. Lots of companies started using it to produce basic throwaway apps and slowly but surely degrades developer's talent pool. now we get lots of low-grade "developers" who can write prompts and want big bucks for it but can't pass a mid-level live coding session because their skills are not up the snuff.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Sure, but let’s also not discount the idea that a significant percentage of businesses need no more than a single static HTML page for their website. I don’t find it a problem for a person to vibe code that up instead of hiring a real web developer.

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

those businesses are not really the target audience for Ukrainian outsourcing companies though. they want the big bucks nice and easy and cut corners more than they should in many cases. On the other hand - there are many Ukrainian small businesses that benefitted greatly from no-code and vibe coding tools that handle their small scale needs - that kind of streamlining helped them focusing on what actually affects their business on the ground

[–] porcoesphino@mander.xyz 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

When did Ukrainian come into it? I went back to the article but half of it was behind a paywall

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

nowhere, I just relayed my personal observation regarding vibe coding in Ukraine as one of the examples

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Vibe coding works when you need to say connect to some API and can feed the model a bunch of docs.

It's great for very low skill, low maintenance, low risk code that I can easily and reliably regenerate.

Increasingly coding models are improving at architecture choices, Claude 4.5 vs 4 is way better here. But ultimately it's inferior to a ginger making those choices.

It's also a great debugger and reviewer.

I used it this weekend to connect to an API and to build a table of constants by just feeding it docs. That was a huge time saver.

I also used it to try and implement stuff and I gotta say once it hit tricky things it started trying to game it and just say it works.

[–] glowie@infosec.pub 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

thats totally the type of code I have written. granted I really consider it more configuration even if it is code. This is always a thing with jobs. Yes I have written code but no im not really a coder by my definition (writes code over 50% of time at positions). No you don't really need a coder for this ops role but yeas its fine that it uses continous development and a bit of code needs to be changed and you call it all devops.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm a dev and work with some devOPs, and you nailed my experience with them exactly! Here are some projects I've seen them build:

  • open web ui (self-hosted AI) with some custom logic to verify an API key; it's only available on the VPN/LAN, but IT has rules; basically ended up being a bit of lua in nginx
  • some JS and Python to add some widgets to the app (stuff like reporting issues)
  • random lambdas and other scripts to check server health

I remember doing all that stuff when I worked at a startup, and it's nice to just see things get automated.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago

Like half my last role was pretty much automation. Which is sorta good and I guess maybe why devops is a better way to look at it. Back when it was just ops it seemed like they would never give time to get things like automation done.

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

More than Open Source, I would say that Vibe Coding is the new Visual Basic 3.0

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

very apt comparison

[–] kalinux@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

“Vibe coding” is just cargo cult programming with prettier syntax highlighting.

I still think AI’s useful — when it’s treated like a tool, not a replacement. Been experimenting with that in a small side project: VSCoder Copilot

TL;DR: AI doesn’t make you a dev — it just makes a good dev faster.

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

my only experience with it was for code cleanup - since those tools save me from bitching and moaning from the team - let it rip

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 6 points 2 days ago

since when is licensing code?

[–] goatinspace@feddit.org 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)
[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago
[–] Melusine@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I guess finding safe language is hard. Python, Java, C#, C(++) with clang or GCC, php, rust...

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Melusine@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Isn't Delphi open source? Imagine using nice language when you can use COBOL on IBM and pay a shit ton amount of money!

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Its Freemium, at least it was like that. Using COBOL should be regulated by Geneva conventions at this point.

[–] Melusine@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Trust me, I did a mainframe gig. It lasted a few months before I almost bored out XD

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Melusine@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Madam please ^^

You should know that COBOL still evolve and the last version of it is 2018 I think (maybe one in the 2020s) and is object oriented since 2003. The problem is that ibm's COBOL is note like 62 (at least where I worked)

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I see. Thanks for clarification. I never worked with COBOL myself but have couple of folks on the team who worked with COBOL in banking back during 2000s who still have full-on vietnam flashbacks over it. I guess the COBOL they worked with was an older iteration than you described.