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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Dang! I didn't think of him when this Charlie Kirk thing happened. That is the perfect Nazi Germany equivalent of the current administration.

[–] Samsy@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago

There is more than just this equivalent. Sometimes I think we are caged in a repeating machine every 100 years. Enjoy the golden twenties as long as they are.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

The incident that got got Horst killed wasn't political. It was actually kinda funny when you look back at it. Horst was a criminal himself and lived a fairly criminal lifestyle (he was a pimp and dealt with a lot of sex workers) and the communist who killed him was also a criminal. The chain of events that led to his murder was that his landlady didn't like him for not paying his rent, among other things, and hired said communist to kick him out because he refused to leave despite not paying rent. He was shot and his killers were... sentenced to 6 years!

Like wow... but they were killed by the SA after the Nazis got to power because the Nazis never had any respect for law and order.

Edit: it was manslaughter. Not murder. That explains the lesser sentence.

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Wait, are we sympathizing with landlords now who have their tenants killed for non-payment of rent?

No, she was a crook, too.

i'd say at times of lots of violent tension between Nazis and antifascists there is always a political aspect to such events. would a criminal Kamerad have agreed to the landlady's proposition? would i as a communist collaborate with the owning class just to bully a Nazi? maybe.

and pointing out that someone doesn't comply with all laws is irrelevant, both involved could have been in pigeon fancier circles, that wouldn't nullify the political situation and their allegiances.

Nazis never had any respect for law and order.

ough, of course the want you to respect their order.

[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They've already gotten to his Wikipedia page. His listed home town doesn't actually exist...

[–] Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Bielefeld? That's a real place.

[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ahaha... you got me. Now I know an in-joke next time I'm hanging with Germans.

before i got in touch with a relativationist here (he seems german), i jus' wanted to drop by, remarking that the font is too small and Ali Höhler -- Ehrenmann!

[–] grissino@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Maybe it's time to rename this ship to commemorate someone who recently passed away...

[–] jafra@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 days ago

Thank you very much for this important bit of information, especially regarding recent events and developments.

[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Y'all remember when the U.S. Army bombed Pat Tillman and tried to make him out to be a hero?

Not calling the guy anything close to Weasel but, man, they really tried.

[–] tanisnikana@lemmy.world 84 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This has certainly never ever happened nowadays.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 55 points 1 week ago

Sure would be a pain in the neck if it did

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well, I don't think they will write such a banger nowadays, probably just some mediocre country.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 60 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)
[–] Krono@lemmy.today 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Now, people, rise up, and let the storm break loose!" - Joseph Goebbels memorializing Horst Wessel, 1932

"...And the warrior whispers back, I am the storm. Erika is the storm. We are the storm." - Steven Miller memorializing Charlie Kirk, 2025

Steven Miller looks just like Goebbels too, those dead eyes scare me.

It's as if God is doing a (history, colorized) meme on us, but the colors are just the black, white, and red of the Nazi swastika.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago

People love call backs, even nazis.

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[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Did Goebbels have the answer to autism though

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

Dark. I like it

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[–] Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Further controversy arose in the late 2010s over allegations that Asperger referred children to the Am Spiegelgrund children's clinic in Vienna during the Nazi period. The clinic was responsible for murdering hundreds of disabled children deemed to be "unworthy of life" as part of the Third Reich's child euthanasia programs (as part of the T4 Programme),

Wowee

[–] primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus 39 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Maybe a cultural compulsion of misremembering and publically honoring the dead unconditionally isnt always good for society.

Yeah, I'll take my bans now.

[–] ech@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Did you read it? It wasn't a "cultural compulsion". It was a deliberate campaign to turn the memory of him into a complete fabrication and a fascist tool.

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[–] Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

This is about propaganda, not culture.

Why would anyone ban you for that? It's not an unpopular opinion or mean.

[–] Mynameisallen@lemmy.zip 33 points 1 week ago

Nothing to be learned from here

[–] besselj@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 week ago

History doesn't repeat, but it sure as hell rhymes.

[–] Nublets@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Those Kirk supporters would be really angry about this if they could read

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[–] ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I sometimes wonder if Hitler would have had any success at all if it weren't for Goebbels. The man practically invented propaganda.

you seem to underestimate the grumpy germans.

[–] individual@toast.ooo 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

why was he targeted and killed?

[–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

According to Wikipedia it was because a pub owner was trying to evict him due to non-payment of his room and he wouldn't move out. He was also a SA commander in charge of a several squads.

Edit guess I was a bit late confirming the wiki article but I will leave it here so people can read the only source I checked.

[–] Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I'm no expert on the subject and I wasn't able to find a clear account. Keep in mind a lot of effort went into spinning the story so the real facts might be long gone.

I've read:

-It was a dispute over unpaid rent

-It was political between nazi's and communists

-Wessel's chick used to prostitute for his killer

Who knows, it could have been a bunch of things.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Honestly, it doesn't really matter at the end of the day. His death wasn't meaningful to the party he held allegiance to because he was important himself, just in how they could spin it so they could accumulate power.

[–] foenkyfjutschah@programming.dev 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

it was meaningful, b/c Wessel was leading the party section in a red, proletarian neighboorhod in eastern Berlin.

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