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[–] yarr@feddit.nl 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Err, that's a nice little quip but that bit about shooting isn't even remotely close to reality.

Example: There's about 80,000 - 100,000 gun related injuries in the USA per year. That's about 250 people getting shot each day. However, we are working against a population of ~330,000,000 in the USA. If you take the 100,000 / 333,000,000 = 0.0003. That's 0.0003 per year per person. So the chance of a person getting shot in a year in the USA is about 1 in 3,330.

To look at this in another way, the fellow said there's a group of 400 people and 1 is shot each day. That means in 1 year, nearly everyone in the room would have been shot, and in 2 years some people would be shot twice.

Look, the USA is pretty disgusting with some issues, but if you want to throw numbers around, at least make them accurate, otherwise it undermines the whole argument.

[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago
[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 23 hours ago

It's called scapgoating.

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

tbf, trans people are gross. Round them up and shoot them all for daring to live their life how they see fit, without harming anyone else. How dare they??

source: I'm a trans person.

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago

meanwhile, dumpy mcshitpants is harming millions, even perhaps billions, on his micropenis hard on for fascism.

[–] Global_Liberty@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

The room has a >91.25% annual shooting rate?

I don't want to brag, but I've been living in the United States for 25 years and I haven't been shot once. If the room resets annually, my odds to this point were 3.55x10^-27. Am I the last American?

[–] oeuf@slrpnk.net 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"And the pedantic mathmeticians shall inherit the earth."

[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

For every dead person a new one is born

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[–] rklm@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

I wanted to look up the statistics for myself and see what the numbers are, given a room size scaled around 1 person dying from firearm related injury. I chose people dying from firearm injuries because I had a hard time finding a statistic for all people who were shot. If you are aware of better sources for my numbers (or a math error on my part), please let me know. I primarily used sources from the US government, but I recognize that those sources might not be completely transparent right now. Also, I don't mean for this to undermine the intention of the author here. Every issue mentioned is absolutely a problem in america, regardless of arbitrary comparisons. Also also, transgender people are valid and deserve rights regardless of how many people are shot per year.

Say you're in a room with 2,584,401 people. 206,752 don't have insurance. 273,947 live in poverty. 542,724 are illiterate. 596,996 suffer from mental illness. And every day at least 1 person dies from firearm related injury. But 21,192 are trans so you decided ruining their lives is a priority.

The population of the US was 341,140,964 on 12/31/24.

92% had health insurance in 2024.

10.6% lived in poverty in 2024.

79% were literate in 2013. (Hopefully there is a more recent source for this somewhere)

23.1% suffered from mental illness in 2022.

132 died from firearm-related injury daily in 2022. This is the number from the CDC, which is more generous than gunviolencearchive.

The number of injuries (including deaths) from the gunviolencearchive puts the daily count at 87 (I am rounding up despite 2024 being a 366 day leap year).

0.82% identified as transgender.

[–] piranhaconda@mander.xyz 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

I appreciate the effort to improve the methodology. But the numbers feel too big to be grasped easily, compared to the original.

Maybe the time frame can be changed? If we bump it to "1 person will be shot to death this year" it would make it a room full of 7080 people and 58 are trans

Edit: full data set rescaled

7080 - total

566 - no insurance

750 - poverty

1487 - illiterate

1635 - mentally ill

1 - gun death per year

58 - trans

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Gotta measure stuff in hamburgers and school buses - 1972 model

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How do you meassure untreated mental illness? Otherwise i like this reframimg a lot.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

I appreciate you providing sources, genuinely, though I will point out the way the US officially measures poverty is laughable bullshit.

https://aspe.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/documents/dd73d4f00d8a819d10b2fdb70d254f7b/detailed-guidelines-2025.pdf

Yep, thats right, you live alone, and make or otherwise recieve more than $15.6k a year?

Not in poverty.

Also, the average paid rent in the US is ~1350 a month.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/average-rent-by-state

So... 1350 x 12 = 16,200, meaning a person below that is probably just literally homeless or nearly totally reliant on family or friends or the state for housing and food, as they have literally less than 0 money for food, on average, without some kind of assistance.

I would argue the actual US poverty line needs to be drawn at between where 200% and 300% of the current poverty line is.

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[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 100 points 1 day ago (1 children)

rn = 2.5 years ago.

It's become even worse.

[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago
[–] ghosthacked@lemmy.wtf 4 points 1 day ago

it's not really about trans being bad moreso that they feel tremendous shame for being the largest consumers of trans porn. A lot of the men on the right are closeted as hell.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 54 points 1 day ago (11 children)
[–] original_charles@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (5 children)

85 being illiterate seems high

[–] MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 65 points 1 day ago

I have some really bad news for you about the literacy rate in the U.S.

[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] sharkteethsandwich@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unfortunately this is accurate. Half of adults in the US are unable to read past a sixth grade level. 20% are functionally illiterate.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/us-literacy-rates-by-state

[–] Chev@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How is that possible? People use the internet every day where you need to read constantly. Do those people live without any internet?

If you look at the data, it tells you about 1/3 of those who are illiterate comes from foreigners so that is not surprising. But the largest demographic of illiterates in the US is white people lol

Also they are functionally illiterate. It's a wide encompassing term that ranges from people who can't read English because they just moved here to people who can only read basic words like stop and go or words they encounter often in life but not much more than that.

I would imagine many people who are functionally illiterate just go to work, watch tv, and sleep.

[–] freeman@feddit.org 4 points 21 hours ago

TikTok I fear

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[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago (19 children)

One in 400 people is shot every day? Yeah I’m gonna call BS on this one.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Maybe it's just one guy getting shot so often it's not even newsworthy anymore.

[–] webadict@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

Gunshot Gary keeps shooting himself in the leg to build up an immunity.

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[–] synae@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 1 day ago

The room is located in a school

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 33 points 1 day ago (11 children)

In a population of 400 people, 1 person is shot every day? So, by the end of one year, the population is down to 35 people?

If we extrapolate to the US population, we end up with 900,000 people murdered per day, or about 330 million people per year. That doesn't seem quite right.

[–] stray@pawb.social 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

One person is shot, not one person is killed via shooting.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 15 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Fair enough. So, at the end of the first year, there are at least 365 bullet wounds among 400 people? Every year, 330 million Americans are treated for bullet holes?

The math suggests I should be surviving a gunshot wound every 16 months or so. That doesn't seem to match my life experience.

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[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

Don't worry, the fascists will be going after those with mental health issues next.

It's already starting.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

In other news, the Kirk Memorial was basically a Nuremberg rally.

Wheee yaah... this is not looking good.

EDIT:

I would describe this youtuber as an actual, genuine centrist, not a crypto nazi, got a lot of sensible ideas and some ignorant ones... I use him as a barometer for basically non brain poisoned normies who have a college degree and a functioning brain, but also come from a blue collar area and are ... more culturally traditional.

Basically, a guy who is kinda problematic if you do a deep dive, but you could probably have a beer with and be reasonably good to ok friends with.

And he is in horror, reviewing Miller's speech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KSYjqB_Q-8

The... original intent of his channel was a travel channel, showing people how US life compares to working and living overseas.

EDIT 2:

Large Man here missed this, but I will point out that Miller saying 'We are the storm' is an obvious Q Anon reference.

Like I said, he's not internet brain poisoned enough to know.

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