A nice fuck you to cheaters and "hnguuu we can only prevent cheating with kernel-level invasive software" alike
this post was submitted on 15 Sep 2025
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This my greatest joy, i constantly need to justify not installing LoL to my friends because of Riots shitty anti-cheat. This proves that kernel-level is just unnecessary. And ive always wondered how you can claim it grants any protection at all when MacOS users can play without it? Its not like you couldnt cheat on a MacBook.
Yes, I used to bot league of legends and still have contact with people that do it to this day. Botters just switched to hackintosh VMs to circumvent Vanguard
It feels very nice knowing that my assumption was not completely bonkers. Thanks for confirming my sanity 🙏
Although, then I wonder, what is even the purpose of Vanguard apart from data collection? Because this attack-vector clearly negates the entire purpose of Vanguard.
Data is worth a lot
Yeah. I know. Even though I hate Riot I guess some part of me wanted to believe their garbage anti-cheat wasn't ONLY a harvester for private data
Well, it probably also saves them a lot of money to only maintain a single anticheat system for both Valorant and League, compared to the 2 independent ones they had before
If you have to constantly justify not installing LoL you might need new friends. /s
Its just jokes, no hard feelings ❤️ Although it is annoying that they just accept spyware to play a game, but hey, thats their choice
THAT'S why my winrate went THROUGH THE ROOF in the past 2 days. I gained 6k ELO and I see some players that are same rank as me who actually like bots. Easiest 48 hours of CS2 I was wondering what's up. This makes perfect sense.
I am very happy for this person.
Get 0wned
Goes to show no kernel access is necessary
I don't like kernal level, but I'll give it 2 weeks, and all the cheats and cheaters will be back.
Hope I'm wrong though.
Has nothing to do with kernel access or not
Kernal level ant cheat doesnt work any better, look whats going on in Fortnite, never seen levels of cheating. Every lobby has a cheating team. Wall hacks, aim bots, teleports. Earlier this year they unbanned many accounts that were banned for cheating and those people got back to cheating, its not like they hoped to get those accounts back and not cheat.
Rather than outright ban cheaters, it’d be funnier if they are just flagged in the matchmaking system and only ever get matched with other cheaters from that point forward.
Yeah WarRobots did something like that, if they repeatedly cancelled out of a drop-in map because they didn't like what was chosen or that their opponent roster were not easy pickings, then they'd block those users from spawning into games and just match them with each other.
At some level though you are just against some crazy paid to upgrade person that had no strategy other than a weopon that obliterates you with on shot, and it became unplayable
VAC bans are pretty nasty iirc.
Your account gets flagged for cheating and you can't play on any official Valve servers for that particular game ever again.
Also if you family share the owner of the game gets the ban (don't share with people you don't trust).
Edit: oops it's only for the game you were found cheating on.
From my understanding, it also locks your inventory, which in a game like CS, is a very big deal.
A VAC ban is for life.
I don't like how companies treat every bad behavior the same way. I get its easier for moderation but they need to hire more humans if they want it to be good. I don't care for cheaters but what if this leads to a ban for having Plex or DS4windows installed? Just plugging my dualsense edge controller in windows does jackshit for enabling festures.
Kernel level anticheat sucks for everyone, not just the cheaters. Especially since they get so damn hostile over linux support for no reason.
VAC bans are manually reviewed and supposedly get reversed when they are false positives.
Why the hell would Plex get you banned?
Along that line of thinking, I'd be nice if there were a "cheating allowed" sandbox option. A VAC enabled game mode where cheating is explicitly allowed. Cheat in it, no harm done, people get to experiment, VAC gets to learn about potential cheating methods they hadn't considered, and nobody gets banned. Do it outside the sandbox and down comes the banhammer.
That's a neat idea, and on the surface sounds good. I am wondering whether there are unseen issues with this type of setup.
The guy you're commenting is not a hacker or he would know about cheat lobbys and servers. No excuses for cheaters in any way. If they really wanted they can go to cheat lobbys
Edit: Exactly what it says a server or lobby that let's you cheat specifically for cheaters to not get banned.
It works like that afaik. If you use the same phone number with another steam account, it then matches you with other people with similarly 'bad' score accounts.
Good, fuck cheaters. I hope they all get doxxed.
Doxxed is a bit much. The capacitors in their PSUs malfunctioning and burning out the GPU and CPUs on the other hand, that would be a fabulous bug to occur on these twats systems.