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During the previous round of shirkflation I warned people about knowing what year a recipe was from because "a can" means something different in 2004 than in 2010. And now it means something different again in 2025.

Now boxes are getting the shrink treatment too.

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.bestiver.se/post/618032

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[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 133 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

using measurements like 'a can' is just a bad idea anyways..

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 87 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

While this is true, Betty Crocker is shooting themselves in the foot with this.

Back in the day having a recipe for a specific box made cooking easier and locked people into one brand of ingredients.

This move is undoing a lot of the marketing they did back in the 40s and 50s

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah they're really burning that 1940s marketing asset

[–] alternategait@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

That's call brand recognition and trust.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It’s American by nature.

“It’s 1950 and a can is a can is a can, everyone knows how big a can is. And it will never change!”

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I had a chicken casserole recipe and it called for "a can of cream of chicken soup". Ok, this soup comes in the normal, single serving size and the jumbo "cooking for a family" size. It made the recipe unusable.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

anything that calls for a can of cream of chicken soup was going to end up the same way regardless.

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[–] obinice@lemmy.world 86 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Recipes that don't specify things in grams and millilitres can go screw.

"Now add a traditional american furlong of bushel sauce to the 25 ounce pot until it bubbles up by five and a smidge horse hands" ... yeah, no 😅

[–] bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The heating time time on some frozen chicken strips was for "a cup". Of long frozen pieces of chicken.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

My favourite is "one cup of spinach".

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[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I didn't learn to measure anything until I was 30. I just cooked by vibes. My girlfriend started getting really irritated that I would make something and she would never have it again. Something like it? Sure. But it? No. So I started actually learning how to cook and know how much was going in .

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Cooking freehanded can work. Cooking is art. Baking, on the other hand, is science. Every ingredient must be measured precisely, or you'll get seriously funny results. And often on the bad side of funny.

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Once you figure out the science you can even freehand baking. Salt, flour, water yeast. Got a flour with more protein? Up the water and decrease the salt a little. Trying to make bread out of cake flour? Decrease the water a touch. Know what your target hydration level is for a bread type and you can pretty much wing the rest. Can't do a double rise today? Do a slow rise in the fridge overnight. Want a slightly thicker crust? Add more salt. Baking has a lot of potential for freeform once you figure out the mechanics behind what goes into a recipe.

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[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (20 children)

That's the way I cook, just have made enough mistakes and so many different dishes I can put things together and make magic. On baking, my family doesn't like fancy cakes, more like snacking cakes, those are pretty forgiving. I don't measure rice & water, just know how it should look, and yes my husband sometimes gets annoyed that it's not more standardized but I'm not a commercial chef I am a cook.

The exceptions - My sourdough bread, and the sourdough chocolate chip cookies - carefully measured by weight and if I am winging the bread (never the cookies) I try to still write down the measurements in case it's the best bread I have ever made. The bread I could almost certainly make it without measuring at this point, I can tell by how it feels, what it will do, but have the scale and use it.

My mom cooked from recipes. Only from recipes . She asked her mom once how to make good biscuits, and her mom said "the water has to be very cold". Which, honestly, would have helped me a lot. But my mom wanted a recipe!

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[–] nightlily@leminal.space 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Uses some American brand name you’ve never heard of as an ingredient with no further elaboration

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 56 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I hit this with the chocolate banana cheesecake I posted here last week.

I've been making variants of it for some 30 years now, and while most of the ingredients are raw ingredients, it does call for an entire 12 ounce bag of miniature chocolate chips. You have to use mini chips because of the low baking temp, full size chips don't melt all the way and give it a weird texture.

Imagine my surprise last week to find that Nestle morsels only come in 10 and 20 ounce bags now.

Fortunately, the STORE brand was still a standard 12 ounces and the recipe still works. Fine. I didn't want to give Nestle the money anyway. ;)

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 48 points 2 weeks ago

It's always best when you can avoid funding Nestle

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

If you're going to use ounces you either make the result divisible by 4 or you use fucking metric. 10 in ounces defeats the entire point of 16 ounces in a pound. Fucking 5/8ths of a pound. Great unit of sale, very useful.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

At least if I bought the 20 ounce bag, that's divisible by 4, and taking out 12, leaves 8... but still...

Baking shouldn't start with a Tower of Hanoi puzzle.

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[–] memfree@piefed.social 34 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Before this, I'd been complaining about frozen vegetables for a while now. I have several soup/casserole/savory-pie type recpies that all call for frozen vegetables by the pound (ex: Defrost 1lb. broccoli and 1lb. cauliflower). Now all the veg comes in 12oz bags instead of 16oz, and I don't want to make 3/4 the food, I want the WHOLE recipe -- and I don't want a bunch of half-used bags in the freezer.

Messing with cake mixes is an even bigger problem for me. On the rare occasion I make a cake, it is either homemade carrot cake or from a box because I all my attempts to make a decent regular cake (chocolate, angel food, or whatever) have been too dry, too crumbly or otherwise inferior. I guess Betty Crocker just doesn't want my money. S'alright. I like my carrot cake and its surely more healthy.

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[–] LemmyThinkAboutThat@lemmy.myserv.one 32 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This explains everything.

I made some things from hand me down recipes recently that I had memorized and they seemed a bit off. So I dug up the recipes (a can of this and a container of that) and assumed that I was going insane.

These c°ck$uck!ng m0th3rf^ck€r$… Grrr!

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Okay but some of my favorite people in life have been cock suckers. Which is why I hate it as a pejorative.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Everyone I know has an asshole, yet here we are...

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Guess everyone learns this at some point. I just skip any recipe that doesn't give me volume or weight for everything. Otherwise, the chance of messing up the recipe is too high.

[–] Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You must do some high stakes cooking. I always tweak recipes, sometimes even if I've never made it before.

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[–] MisterCurtis@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

This just reminds me of recipes that are like "how to make homemade soft pretzel. step 1, buy pretzel dough". I get that some boxed mixes are just pre measured ingredients, so why not learn the ratios and make them yourself?

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

"we can't have pancakes because I didn't buy any mix" "What? Mix? You know you can just make that stuff on your own. Right?"

We have reached a point where, despite celebrity chefs existing, some people have zero idea that you can make stuff without a can of this, a block of cream cheese, a box of that and a bottle of this. They don't know the first thing about cooking. To them pretzels are something you buy from someone else and sometimes you have to bake them yourself.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

I was making a galette for the first time and while I was going over the epic saga that is making your own puff pastry I said, "fuck it, I'll just buy some from the freezer section at the store". It came out great and I saved 3 hours of my life.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I've shared my grandmothers recipe before, worth sharing again. Caution: Makes a metric fuckton of pancakes. Make for multiple people. You cannot eat this many pancakes.

1 Qt. Buttermilk
2 TBS Baking Soda
1 TBS Salt
4 Cups Flour
2 TBS Baking Powder
1 Pkg Dry Yeast
1/4 C. Oil
6 Eggs
1 cup of milk the next morning.

Put 1 quart buttermilk in large bowl and add 2 TBS Baking SODA and 1 TBS Salt.

Mix 4 cups of flour with 2 TBS Baking POWDER, stir this mixture into the buttermilk.

Don't mix up the SODA with the POWDER. You might not think it will make a difference, it does.

Add one package of dry yeast, 1/4 cup oil. Mix.

Whip 6 eggs till foamy, fold in mixture. Do not use electric mixer, use mixer tine by hand.

Pour batter into large pitcher or bowl. Cover with foil. Refrigerate overnight.

The next morning put a cup of milk in the pitcher to thin the batter.

Heat pan until hot. Add 3 TBS or so of oil, when water droplets sizzle in the pan it's ready.

Cook pancakes in 2s or 3s. When the tops are covered in steam-holes then it's ready to flip. 2 to 3 minutes or so. Can be as fast as 1 minute. Do not turn your back or they will burn.

Lasts 10 days to 2 weeks in fridge. Yeast will turn black over time, this is normal. Stir batter before use.

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[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 weeks ago

"I didn't have pretzel dough so instead I used pizza dough, and instead of salt I used mozzarella cheese. Delicious recipe!"

...

Now I want pretzza.

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[–] JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Its kinda weird to read she was dissappointed because the recipe was "passed down" by her mother. If its a box mix you add like eggs and water to how much 'recipe' is there to pass down? Its not quite the same as a full recipe that uses a certain brand spice mix for a base or something, the box is the recipe.

[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, this is ridiculous. Is measuring things out in grams and mixing the ingredients too complicated? Americans rely too much on corporate ultra-processed food and then get angry when they get shafted.

[–] ButtermilkBiscuit@feddit.nl 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

To this point, you can make cake mix. It's flour, sugar, leavening agents or yeast / baking powder, salt, and anti-clumping agents / preservatives.

Just take 10 minutes and mix that shit together yourself and leave out the preservatives. You'll get a better cake and recipe worth passing down.

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[–] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

We had to go through my great grandmothers hand written recipes and add measurements because of things like this, all the way back in the 90s it was an issue. A can of cherries was several ounces larger than it was then, and I guess even worse now.

She also liked to do a lot of "Add flour until it's sticky" so we just added "Start with x amount of cups of flour then add more as needed"

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 17 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Who the fuck is buying those boxes if they still need things like eggs adding?

It's just pre-measured flour, baking soda and sugar. You can do that in under a minute. Shit, the stuff is in the same aisle.

[–] Pokey@midwest.social 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The reason for having to add an egg, milk, or some other simple ingredient is because the mix companies found out people were more willing to adopt these mixes if there was a step where they had to do something beyond just adding water. Or at least this is what they told me on the Jiffy Mix factory tour as a child.

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[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Betty Crocker does shrinkflation and you go after the consumer. Way to blame the victim there.

Do you have, in your cupboards, the ingredients to make a German chocolate cake, a pecan cake, and a carrot cake? No? Why not? Swap any of of those for a spice cake, or angel food, or gingerbread... You can't!?!? Why not? A trip to the store and have exactly what I need to make any or all of those. I don't have to pay for extra ingredients that are just going to sit, take up space, and go bad. Do you know how much it would cost to buy all the unique ingredients to make any of those cakes? And you used to get a reliable result too for look, taste, quantity, and quality. But with shrinkflation, that's gone out the door.

Also, ignoring the fact, so many recipes start with a box from Betty Crocker, and then using something they do regularly have at home and use, they add their own little twist on it. Or just use one of those boxes as a base because not everyone has that stuff sitting around or even has the space to store it.

Lastly, flour is one of the most dangerous ingredients to have just sit around in terms of food safety.

But yeah, shame the customer....

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[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

I'm all for using box mixes like this to make something easier if you wanna bake shit... but this seems a bit odd...

“It’s just so upsetting,” says Judith, whose cookie recipe was passed down by her mother. These “perfect little cookies” once made the rounds at bake sales, Christmas cookie exchanges, and birthdays. She now calls them “unusable.” She could buy an additional box to make up the difference, she acknowledges, “but out of principle, I just can’t.”

It was a box mix... does that really need passing down? It looks like she sub'd oil for butter and thats it. I'm sure the box suggests a little less butter now... so like, a little less oil? I can't imagine the box mix cookies are just plain trash now either, unless they just are.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There are a lot of recipes out there that use boxed cake mixes off-label. Like I saw Dylan Hollis make something that involved one can of pumpkin puree and one box of spice cake mix. There are a lot of things like that which are going to break if package sizes change.

They may not be authentic homemade gourmet organic quarter sawn BPA free low sulfur fair trade influencer grade but there's a lot of people who are nostalgic for recipes like that because it's what mama made in the 80's, and we used to sit around that godawful yellow table with that one chair that had a gash in the back, you remember that? And she'd put that icing on it, that cream cheese icing.

The image I hate most is someone trying to do the old thing of one box of this, one can of that, the batter's not how they remember but whatever, bake...doesn't come out right, over bake...what's going on? And now we're wasting food because "a box of cake mix" isn't what it used to be. All because we suffer a few billionaires to live.

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[–] Patches@ttrpg.network 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They use the box as a base ingredient.

I doubt the recipe is "Use the box as instructed"

All judith needs to do is mix up her own cake mix.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

When you look at some of the cookie mixes today from them, its use the box, 1/3 cup of butter (or whatever it is, already forgotten the exact amount), and 2 eggs.

Their family recipe in the article was use the box, 2 eggs and a 1/3 cup of oil.

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[–] Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Because of this I won't buy any box mixes anymore - they were almost always overpriced for what you got and didn't contain anything magical... They just made things simpler. I'll make my cakes and cookies from scratch now and save a fortune.

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[–] LegoTaco@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)
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[–] ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com 10 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

On the flip side you get goofy things like this where you are supposed to use a specific amount of something that so far as I know you would have to buy as a pre-made mix. Either that or start a separate recipe to make you own cake mix.

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[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It would be better if other recipes adjusted accordingly.

The Zatarans Jambalaya box still says to add a pound of smoked sausage. But those sausages went down to 14oz. Then 12oz. Now some are 10oz. The box still says to add a pound. It’s becoming a hotdog/bun situation.

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