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It's like their trying to please the right-wing and the reform idiots who will always hate them anyway. Totally tone deaf.
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Labour is trying to please their rich political donors, who tend to be right wing and will always love them, so long as Labour do their donor's bidding.
Welcome to politics 101!
I think they’ve had the exact same bunch of weaselly data analytics people in that the US Democrats did.
Both parties have been conned into believing the Moneyball data superintelligence that says the best chance they have of picking up votes are from “centrists” whose main priorities are hot-button culture war topics.
They’ve let themselves get dragged down into mud-wrestling with the pigs because a computer told them they should.
They are not Labour. Right now what we have are just red Tories and blue Tories.
I hear someone say that China has one party with different policies while the UK has different parties with the same policies
I think Sturmer's party is actually further right than the Tories ever were. We have the centre-right party (Tories), the genocidal far-right party (Labour), and the maniacal Hitler worshippers (Reform).
Get back to work, Lazy Disabled People! >:(
*Off-peak times only, terms apply
I think the point is, if you're working you don't need free bus travel. If you're on the bus at that time of the morning then you're probably working (or going to an important early morning appointment, who knows), and the buses are at their busiest so discouraging extra users at that time is beneficial. This might be your only form of transport if you are disabled though, so it seems unfair to force payment if you have no other option. I get why the early peak is excluded (you could argue the afternoon peak should be excluded too), although I'm at a loss as to why it finishes at 11pm.
Really annoying that you've been downvoted for a very reasonable take.
and the buses are at their busiest so discouraging extra users at that time is beneficial.
This is the key justification. However, the issue it points to is that the government are putting the desires of a business (primarily First Group) before the needs of the population.
The goverment should make law for the benefit of the people, and businesses should work within the law in service to the people, especially people that pay them. The bus companies should run more busses at peak times to meet the added demand disabled people bring.
Bus companies get massive subsidies and the businesses are stuctured in such a way as to squirrel their profits away so they can demand more. That the government, the people supposed to represent us, are capitulating to them further is an insult at best.
Maybe if there was a public transport system still running that was not just a cash cow and stifled for the benefit of big oil then it wouldn't matter who used it when.
Some people wake very early and may only be well enough during rush hour to travel.. and yet they're not supported in doing so, even though it'd cost relative pennies.
Oh and re your last Q, disabled people aren't allowed to go out on the lash or to the theatre etc, they're disabled so should be tucked up in bed staring at the samecwall they've been staring at all daytime. It saves the government tens of pounds a year that!
PS I'm not being narky at you, rather the system.
Yes, buses should be for the benefit of all. Unfortunately they are mostly run by private companies who want to make a profit.
(Also I see that I got downvoted for trying to provide a balanced view of why this is even a policy, aren't the votes supposed to be "adds to the discussion" not "I agree"?)
"I think the point is, if you’re working you don’t need free bus travel."
Because there are exactly zero people in the country who are working but also poor, of course.
That's a fair point, but I was looking at it from the government's angle. If you're working, you have the money to pay for the transport to get you to work. If you can't afford to eat after that, that's a different matter entirely.
So what you're saying is the government struggle with even elementary microeconomics?
They're giving the Tories a run for the prize title of Nasty Party.
I thought the labour party was the liberal party in England...
Oh wait, they're exactly like our liberals aren't they?
Not really they're to the right of American democrats on everything but healthcare
and public transport and public energy and probably countless other things.
if they stay long enough healthcare would inevitably go in that direction too. They have already signed a deal with Palantir to process NHS data.
They are supposed to be centre Auth left, but they are mostly just like the torys the idea they were ever liberals is laughable
It’s both despairing and frankly suspicious how suddenly Labour have shifted hard right.
They’re further right than David Cameron by now, and I’m not exaggerating.
Keir Starmer is essentially a seat warmer for Nigel Farage.
Daily reminder Theresa May supported self ID & sensible pension reform.
Cameron's government passed same-sex marriage. Starmer's Labour are engaged in open war against trans people.
Tbf that was primarily due to libdem pressure but yeah
TIL that disability bus passes are time limited. Wtf?
i feel like banging my head against a wall, i was hoping for so much when they were voted in.
What in the shit?
Starmer Labour have shown themselves to have an absolute hatred for disabled people
Wild. That’s not cool at all.
The restrictions also mean that disabled people can’t get a bus for free after 11 pm, because ~~we don’t have social lives or jobs...~~ there aren't any buses at that time of night.
FTFY.
There are plenty of buses available after 11pm where I live
In cities, maybe. Everywhere else - forget it. We don't even have buses on Sundays round here. Mon-Sat you won't see one after about 7 or 8pm.
Yeah sure, but acting like buses after 11 is somehow irrelevant just because you don’t live in a place with them, when the majority of the population lives in big cities that DO is just ridiculous
I think they we're more going for an attack on the shit state of suburban/rural public transport than seriously suggesting that the reason for the vote was because there are no buses at that time
Yes, thank you.
In cities where the majority of the people live?
Satanic behaviour.
What a shithole country!