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Charlie Kirk has never received a warm welcome in the pages of this magazine. It doesn’t matter now. The assassination of Kirk is a tragedy. Morally, it is unjustifiable. Politically, it is cause for serious alarm. A larger spiral into political violence would be a catastrophe for the Left.

In the short time since Kirk was slain, most on the Left have rightly condemned his murder. A not insignificant number, however, have reacted with an almost competitive lack of empathy. Not only is their anti-moral posturing likely to turn off ordinary Americans, who abhor political violence, but it is also politically misguided and strategically naive. There is nothing to celebrate here. Indeed, there is much to fear.

sit back and observe time

but fr:

If history is any guide, the Left faces serious dangers from this development. The theory that acts of individual political violence will somehow spark mass movements for justice (what used to be called “propaganda of the deed”) has been tested, in a variety of circumstances around the world, for centuries. It’s very consistently been a disaster, almost always leading to enhanced repression of the Left and attacks on democracy writ large. The aftermath of Kirk’s murder could easily follow this familiar, grim pattern. Whether or not the shooter even turns out to be left-wing, there are good reasons to worry that the assassination could be used as a pretext for new crackdowns against dissenting speech from an administration that’s already shown itself willing to engage in a degree of authoritarianism we haven’t seen in recent American history.

Kirk himself played a leading role in pushing Gen Z toward the Right, especially young men. If the killer hoped to snuff out his influence, their actions will almost certainly have the opposite effect. Kirk’s murder at age thirty-one will no doubt convince many of his millions of viewers and listeners to dedicate themselves to his cause, thus hastening the coherence of a militant right-wing political bloc that will be an obstacle to our own project for decades to come.

does jacobin have short guide for spain as related to political violence from anarchists?

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[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 57 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I wonder if Jacobin has heard of the Jacobins

[–] regul@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In their defense, the Jacobins weren't doing adventurism. They were organized.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago

Absolutely true, but some of the article takes up the line about "political violence" in general.

[–] OttoboyEmpire@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

we will make excuses for the Terror smdh

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 56 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

In the short time since Kirk was slain, most on the Left have rightly condemned his murder. A not insignificant number, however, have reacted with an almost competitive lack of empathy. Not only is their anti-moral posturing likely to turn off ordinary Americans, who abhor political violence, but it is also politically misguided and strategically naive. There is nothing to celebrate here. Indeed, there is much to fear.

And that's all I need to know that this author is a liberal wrecker and most importantly a liar; most Americans do not give a shit Kirk was killed, most Americans support Luigi, most Americans DO support political violence, of course it's usually in the form of the state attacking their perceived enemies but they support it nevertheless

These liberals spin their dying ideology as if it was common sense, while ignoring the fact nobody, not even themselves, subscribe to its ideological content

So we're left with the obvious realization that these articles are only designed to demoralize the left and make it appear as fringe as possible, well that's not gonna work on behalf of a Nazi like Charlie Kirk

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My lib ass mom's comment was that karma is a bitch. Commentators and news guys think it's unjustifiable. The average person understands exactly why Charlie's neck did that.

[–] skeletorlaugh@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago

hey charlie, what dat neck do?

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 44 points 1 week ago

Morally, it is unjustifiable. Politically, it is cause for serious alarm.

Politically can be argued, I think the shooting is just an accelerant for things that were already happening.

Morally can not. Charlie was an advocate for the most vile beliefs and bears no small amount of responsibility for deaths due to gun violence, vaccine hesitancy, and hate crimes that have occurred during his miserable life. He got exactly what he deserved, fuck Charlie Kirk rest in piss.

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

i'd rather eat day-old vomit off the sidewalk than listen to a bunch of gutless cowards cry and whine over a nazi getting a new speaking hole installed

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

jacobin in the 80s if somebody merced federal society founder pearl-clutch

[–] deforestgump@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also Jacobin: The IRA needs to cut it out.

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

Also Jacobin: The Mujahideen are doing great things to free their society

[–] Dimmer06@hexbear.net 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This might be correct if there was a left in the US for Trump to crack down on

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

They're just going to crack down harder on poor people and minorities instead

[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Which will hopefully result in more dead fascists. Eventually something is going to happen, maybe we are at that point

[–] elpaso@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago

We are at that point. This is it.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago

Trumpo will crack down on newsom, and we will be very sad.

[–] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Truly hate the "now the right will escalate its violence" takes. I do understand the impulse of being afraid of retaliation, because of course you should be. But the sentiment that keeps getting repeated is one of "oh no, we can't do anything to stop this retaliation" instead of "violent acts are escalating as part of the class war, prepare yourselves to resist the fascist crackdown." It's the same current that sees the rise of fascism as something we can't fight back against.

[–] CountryBreakfast@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 week ago

They retaliate. Then are retaliated against. Then are faced with the prospect of retaliating again. Until inevitably the will to retaliate is destroyed.

This is just simply how conflict proceeds and is nothing to be disturbed by.

Meanwhile one of the right's best young mouthpieces of the last decade is now forever silenced by an early grave.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

jacobin already forgor escalation after elias rodriguez did his deed. or luigi.

[–] CountryBreakfast@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I am glad Charlie Kirk is dead because I hated him. I'm not more holy than he was or a better person than he was or his followers are. I'm not above celebrating the end of my enemies. He would be glad to know people like me suffer and die. He would have let us all die. If all you have for me is "yeah but now the people who don't care if we die don't care if we die" then you need the horse bit slapped out of your mouth.

But neither am I so low that I have no respect for my enemies. Kirk's execution is a tough blow for the other side. Say whatever you want about how there will always be another reactionary but its just a tired cliche. Kirk was effective in his evil and we are all spared by his murder. Charlie meant something and it is good that that meaning has been frustrated, by whatever degree, with is death.

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

At the very least a bunch of college campuses will be spared his hateful drivel from his "tour".

[–] Quaxamilliom@hexbear.net 34 points 1 week ago (3 children)

And Ben Shamiro too who just cancelled all his college tours. lmao this is already proving to have a good impact.

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Once again proving that violence against fascists works

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

Political power does indeed come from the barrel of a gun

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago

Praxis 🥳

[–] CountryBreakfast@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 week ago

I believe Ben isn't great enough a fool to think he can make himself safe. This is ultimately what gives me hope.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

You're a better person by virtue of not being a fascist and not spreading hate speech at college campuses

[–] SnuggleButt@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

You are a better person simply through your intent. If every action you took was the same but your true, honest, personal intent was more moral and just, you are better

And now realize that every action you take is not the same

You aren’t even comparable. I’d say there are greater differences between you and him than you and completely different species

A just society must be intolerant towards those who are without any motivation but their own greed

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not only is their anti-moral posturing likely to turn off ordinary Americans

Ordinary Americans really shouldn't know who Charlie Kirk is lol

[–] adultswim_antifa@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I hope people look up who these media clowns are memorializing and learn that he was genuinely a hateful asshole. The 24 hour news channels were all caught off guard by the public support for Luigi.

[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

Nah you can post whatever vile shit he said and people are still going to clutch pearls. Sad but true

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[–] O__O@hexbear.net 29 points 1 week ago

counterpoint: no it isnt.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

playing Hell Let Loose and one of my squadmates is named "Charlie Squirt" lol

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago

Oh no, not pretext for what the fascists are already doing.

[–] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago

God.. even Jacobin is taking the "we better not say mean things about the right" approach.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago

Demsucc emphasis on succ

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

~~Lib's~~ Jacobin's greatest desire is to be back at brunch.

[–] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Catastrophe for the Left

doubt

However, I empathize with the (likely now legitimate) concern people like Hasan might have because of this. I'm not gonna say that Kirk was a good guy (he wasn't - absolutely vile), but he wasn't directly overseeing the social murder of people. It's a lower adventurism bar, and one that doesn't have the universal revilement that the Luigi shooting did. Plus, unlike the healthcare CEO, Kirk has plenty of fans who would likely be willing to do a counter-adventurism for him.

Basically, as crab-party as this is, it's got the potential for blowback on the left in the form of someone taking a shot at Hasan, Zohran, AOC, Ilhan, etc. as "vengeance." I recognize electoralism and discourse are not ends in themselves (only means to a total socialist revolution and victory), but especially since AmeriKKKa's working class is so disorganized, we need everyone we to radicalize and pipeline people (AOC probably doesn't "fit" this, and Zohran TBD, but Hasan and Ilhan both do good work as signposts if nothing else). The real concern isn't some broad crackdown yet, it's more adventurism/counterviolence from the "lone wolf Right" against either 1. public figures on the left or 2. symbolic targets of the "left" (and here, I don't want to speculate but needless to say this is far more grim).

Hoping, as always, the shooter is just some right wing freakoid, let-them-fight

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

i will paraphrase jacobin here:

And aoc’s murder is likely not to demoralize but to embolden the conviction of the mid left, who will no doubt turn aoc into a martyr for their cause. Indeed, the use of that term by figures in the left-wing press has already begun. She’s highly eligible for such mythmaking, given that she never laid a finger on anyone and was shot in cold blood while in the process of articulating hers political views.

i mean it doesn't work that way, state does what it wants and the plebs suffer its whims. But also 1 day in, this shit could be memory holed in a week.

[–] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think that's actually the issue: if the state (run by right-wingers) wants to turn Kirk into a martyr, they can. The left does not have that same capacity, being out of power (even if Dems were in power this would be the case). I just think that if this was a left shooter, they should have picked a better target. Kirk is, for a materialist, a terrible target. There's not even the potential for (as with Luigi) for a little harm reduction as healthcare companies maybe back off ghoulish policies in fear. There's no equivalent here -- very little upside, strategically, tactically, etc. What's "gained" by the movement here if this was a left shooter? I don't see any upside for the left at all (aside from one less ghoul alive, but if you're a shooter this good, pick a better target comrade...)

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

I think everyone has melted brains by social media, realistically. As related to getting the inheritance tax into state coffers, one has to imagine people simply lack motivation for complicated causality chains.

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[–] Sebrof@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago

wojak-nooo No!! You're supposed to be sad when fascists get the pit! Feel bad! Feel bad! WE'RE BETTER THAN THIS!!

[–] OttoboyEmpire@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

i'm sure kirk deigned to "debate" burgis at some point -- very funny, sort of, imagining him imagining himself as a kirk-level target worthy of reprisals. though, tbf, he'd be easy to plug giving a lecture on Marx at a biergarten in front of some 14 people.

their actions will almost certainly have the opposite effect. Kirk’s murder at age thirty-one will no doubt convince many of his millions of viewers and listeners to dedicate themselves to his cause,

i don't really think this is true. i don't think kirk really had any intellectual heft or juice -- dude seems to just have repackaged traditional talk-radio talking points, and weaseled his way close to the administration and made apologia for it. not really a firebrand or iconoclast.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And Kirk was just a conduit for oil/manufacturing money. He was a dancing clown operating on the behest of capitalist interests because he was seemingly the most shameless. He seemed to enjoy making college kids upset.

Capitalists can find another guy exactly like him. And you're right, what was his cause exactly? Fascism? He simply repeated the same lines that every right wing idiot influencer gets. He would flip his beliefs whenever he was told to do so, like how he completely changed in regards to the Epstein files. He was one of the most empty fascists who has ever lived, a pudding brained nepo baby who was good at memorizing the lines he was told to say.

[–] joseph@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

They might struggle to find people if there is a genuine survival risk going forward (copium?)

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[–] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The right wing has a near monopoly on political violence in the past few decades, and it's only been accelerating. Trump is sanctioning that violence and it was always going to get worse. None of the people who would shoot you or imprison you for your political beliefs give a shit how much you condemn the attack.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

Yup. Like what is Trump going to do that he wasn't already doing? If reactionaries could get away with killing all minority groups, throwing liberals in prison, bringing back chattel slavery, and stripping women of all rights, they would. That's been their plan since Spartacus led a rebellion in Rome.

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