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This backpedal comes right after meeting with AOC and Bernie Sanders. The two have rubbed their shitlib off on him. Previously he seemed to not be totally for or against (could have generously been seen as "hiding his power level") but now clearly against the phrase.

I still hope Zohran wins though. Him losing would be a big win for the pieces of shit in the media and in power looking to prove that even suggesting Israel might be doing something wrong is forbidden.

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[–] qcop@hexbear.net 82 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The Gand wizard explained to me why "Black lives matter" is bad, I will now discourage its use

Fuck this bullshit, stop centering everything on Zionists. Palestinians are being genocided and we're getting tone policed? The oppressor does not get to choose what we say.

[–] tim_curry@hexbear.net 39 points 3 weeks ago

Tone policing is just a way of controlling and extinguishing the narrative. When someone controls your language they control the message but wrapped up as being some kind of concerned support.

[–] MarxusMaximus@hexbear.net 54 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"I won't tell my supporters to rise up against things anymore because a Nazi said it reminded her of the warzaw ghetto uprising."

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

he never used the phrase himself to being with, he just got in trouble with the zionist media for not discouraging its use.

edit: until now. L move. he should be responding to that attack with the story of the warsaw ghetto intifiada and how the museum changed that word to, i forget, one of the words in the acronym for hamas.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Hamas stands for "Harakat al-Muqāwama al-Islāmiyya," and that middle word, "Muqāwama," basically means "resistance" or "struggle," which is what the US Holocaust Memorial Museum changed their Arabic text for the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising to. I think he cited them using the term "intifada" in the past and that provoked even more accusations of him being an antisemite, but idk if that's why the museum changed it, though they did change it pretty recently.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago

thanks, yeah the story i heard was that zionists were mad about the word intifada and complained/pressured for that change.

[–] invo_rt@hexbear.net 45 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

So... you had faith in the electoral system of the imperial core again, didn't you? back-to-me

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[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 44 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

beyond any consideration of the moral implications of being wishy washy under pressure about genocide by the feelings of horrifying racists: it's just stupid politics. admitting this is inviting a simple next step of attacks, about why he didn't say this sooner, and then why he's done so much advocacy for Palestine before, etc. he has a lifetime of advocacy that he's inviting them to continue slandering him about by not explaining to Al goddamn Sharpton why he's actually an incorrigible islamophobic anti-"Arab" racist who isn't even willing to learn how to pronounce the word he's pretending to care about so much let alone learn that it means uprising. it's also pretty clear that zohran is sort of just lying here? so that the press can here what they want to? but he's a brown muslim guy named Zohran "from Uganda" so absolutely no one who's a hysterical zionist nazi will be moved or swayed by this pitiful attempt at backpedaling, and neither will the feckless machine democrats who want to turn any instincts he has into mush like AOC. i don't think he's betrayed Palestinians, but whoever he's listened to in taking this tact is genuinely fucking bad at their job and needs to leave.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 39 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There was some pressure, the issue is that this won't actually reduce the pressure even slightly.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The pressure is lighter now that there's a divided opposition and he has a D next to his name on the ballot. I think it makes it even less acceptable, it paints the picture that the primary campaign was opportunistic.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago

I agree at least that it's even less acceptable now and paints the picture that he's an opportunist, but I think it's still not true that there's zero pressure. I think that, if anything, the bourgeois interests who underestimated his campaign before will now dump much more funding into whoever they think the opposition is to try to be sure to crush him if doing so is at all possible still.

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[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 37 points 3 weeks ago

back-to-me every mother fucking time lmao

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 35 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Still waiting for him to do literally anything if consequence, but the optics-carers go off i guess shrug-outta-hecks people act like he's running to be mayor of Palestine or like he's walked back "i'm going to arrest Netanyahu" or like any of his actual public policy i.e. rent control

[–] EatPotatoes@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Feeling it with a presidential candidate in Ireland and her throwing fellow leftists like Mick Wallace under the bus. The only thing that can motivate me to vote is to send a clear message to ruling powers that isn’t some skewed poll or ignored demonstration.

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[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

i'm disappointed he isn't standing up to zionists but he has a lot of room to backpedal

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[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

like he's walked back "i'm going to arrest Netanyahu" or like any of his actual public policy i.e. rent control

When did he walk these back

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

He hasn't, but people here act like he did with his response to what is literally a slogan

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You say this like him condemning "Black lives matter" because "All lives matter" wouldn't be a terrible indictment, and this situation is a lot less different from that than some might wish it was.

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[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 33 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

There is functionally no such thing as "hiding your power level" in the sense of secretly being more left. If you're "hiding your power level" it's because you're a rightist, and the phrase is exclusively used by baby leftists as cope.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If you're not creating the conditions for people more radical than yourself (e.g. by playing word police on radical slogans) then you're not a communist who's in deep cover waiting for the time to strike, you're just another liberal delaying the time to strike.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 18 points 3 weeks ago

"There is functionally no such thing as "hiding your power level". Yeah this isn't a Dragonball episode vegeta-stare

[–] MohammedTheCommunistPalestinian@hexbear.net 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

as a politician sure but this does actually apply for hasan piker (calling DPRK best korea in a video with boy boy ,saying Mao liberated Tibet)

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I really meant in terms of politicians and such. That said, I've spent an embarrassing amount of time listening to Hasan and I think he is basically as he represents himself with the one exception of de-emphasizing his belief in the necessity of violence because of TOS. Well, perhaps he realizes in some arguments that he is wrong slightly more often than he is willing to admit because he's also extremely stubborn, but it's hard to tell where that would leave him overall.

Mao liberating Tibet is something even the vast majority of revisionists agree with and "best Korea" has several points to consider: first, it's a meme; second, when there's only one other Korea and that Korea is the RoK, it's a really low bar to be "best Korea;" three, any decent Marxist who is interested in geopolitics should be able to tell you that the DPRK is not Marxist or even really socialist, so overstated support for it isn't selecting as strongly for being a Marxist as Hexbear would have you believe, even if the DPRK is unquestionably a historically progressive force and it would benefit the world for it to triumph over the foreign occupation dominating half of Korea.

[–] starkillerfish@hexbear.net 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

any decent Marxist who is interested in geopolitics should be able to tell you that the DPRK is not Marxist or even really socialist

Yeah this is some very niche take. Is any country at all Marxist or socialist then?

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

I think you can define socialist in a pretty generous way (like "professes to seek the eventual end of class society") and that would include, to the best of my knowledge, every ""AES"" state except for the DPRK. The DPRK does not even meet that incredibly low bar; see the article I linked, where they are quoted as being against even the eventual destruction of the national bourgeoisie.

It is a fantasy that the DPRK is more socialist than Cuba, a fantasy that I struggle to imagine the basis of except that it has the most Soviet aesthetic and is the most openly hostile to America and friends. I strongly encourage you to read the article, ignoring Bland's Hoxha-philia because I don't think that aspect is very productive, but it's also not very relevant to the main content of the essay.

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[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 32 points 3 weeks ago
[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This "I didn't know what my words could mean to some people" is so ridiculous OF COURSE YOU FUCKING KNEW YOU SAID IT BECAUSE YOU WERE STANDING FOR SOMETHING, there's no way people don't see through this bullshit

[–] Euergetes@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

YOU SAID IT

i thought he didn't, it's an antizionist slogan with a scary arabic word the media worked overtime to associate with him because of the less flashy, libbed up antizionism he's espoused--"israel has a right to exist as a state with equal rights" doesn't make the bush era racism dogs bark

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

yeah he was on some "i don't say that but i won't tell other people not to say it" and now he's slid all the way to "i would discourage"

[–] Euergetes@hexbear.net 10 points 3 weeks ago

they're not going to stop until he says "israel has a right to genocide and my first mayoral trip will be to kiss netanyahu's ring" but they're still trying to find the correctly-worded concession that will make the media stop framing him with racist dogwhistles. forget supporters getting the fell-for-it-again it's the campaign managers

[–] Flinch@hexbear.net 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

they handed him the folder with pictures of him sleeping taken through a rifle scope sadness

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

p sure it was his mom and Rowling making a new HP film

[–] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Weirdly he actually told his mother when he was a teen to not direct the fifth Harry Potter film. Like not a joke.

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

ZOHRAN MAMDANI: Yes, they have. And you know, when we won the primary election, I said on that stage that I know millions of New Yorkers care deeply about what happens in Israel and Palestine. I’m one of those New Yorkers. And I commit to reaching even further, to understand disagreement, to wrestle with the complexities of those differing viewpoints, because what this city deserves is a mayor that looks not only to represent the close to 600,000 New Yorkers that voted for me, but rather the 8.5 million people that call this city home.

In the meetings I’ve had since that moment, I’ve met with Jewish elected officials, with rabbis, with community leaders. And there was one rabbi who spoke to me about how that phrase, for her, brought back memories of bus bombings in Haifa, of restaurant attacks in Jerusalem. I knew from what she was sharing with me that she had a fear, as she said, that that could come home to New York City.

So, in having that conversation with her, I understood that the gap between the intent I’ve heard some New Yorkers share with the use of that language—of calling for the end of the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land—was disconnected from the impact it was having in that same conversation I was having with that rabbi.

And so I have said, after having that conversation, that this is language I would discourage.

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[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago

fucking knew it lmaooooo

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Why are all the comments on that article so awful lmao

[–] smokeppb@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago

Pretty much every unpaywalled, free-for-all, english language comment section is going to be rabidly reactionary.

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 11 points 3 weeks ago

Here's how we can push him left

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[–] stink@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Zohran defenders in shambles rn

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[–] Maturin@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

No way. He said the same thing he said two months ago about a slogan he doesn’t personally use??? It’s all over. Wrap it up everyone.

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