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We all know this happens everyday. (lemmy.world)

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[–] MisterD@lemmy.ca 108 points 2 years ago

Meanwhile if BlackRock became insolvent, the government would bail them out

[+] reddig33@lemmy.world 57 points 2 years ago (1 children)

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[–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 85 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

It certainly doesn't help that it's literally illegal to build enough housing across the vast majority of urban land (at least in the US and Canada). Nothing like good ol' fashioned manufactured scarcity to guarantee line keeps on going up.

It's the mother of all regulatory capture, where our local governments (who are supposed to represent the needs of the people) have passed so many frickin laws to systematically manufacture and maintain the artificial scarcity of housing that keeps these ghouls' investments so wildly profitable. Restrictive zoning that makes townhouses and duplexes literally illegal? Check. Arbitrary and pseudoscientific parking minimums? Check. Setback requirements so everyone is legally required to have a massive resource-consuming, space-wasting front lawn whether they want it or not? Check.

Utter insanity.

[–] CowsLookLikeMaps@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes! It's also refreshing to see you mention parking minimums. It's like everyone is blind to the sheer amount of parking lots everywhere taking up so much space.

[–] neanderthal@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Parking lots that are only close to full on Black Friday and Christmas Eve.

[–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

And that's by design. Parking minimum laws were literally written with maximum demand in mind, not typical. Like, those parking lots are going to sit half-empty for 99% of the year, and we all collectively have to pay for it every day through pricier goods in stores (parking lots and the real estate they occupy ain't free), pricier rent (it could have been housing instead), and pricier transportation (ginormous parking lots just spread everything out, meaning we're forced to become more dependent on gas-guzzling cars instead of being able to walk to the shop for free).

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

In my experience as an electrical engineer, this kind of thinking, 99% non-maximum and 1% maximum, is how electrical infrastructure is built too. Conductors and transformers and other equipment are sized to the historical max + a safety factor so that the electrical system will work even on the rainiest of rainy days. It has to do with reliability and resilience.

But parking lots don't need to be super reliable or resilient... Bridges and buildings definitely, but roads and lots literally just cover land. You don't have the same risk as your do with structures or the grid. Most get repaved every few years anyways.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

In my experience as an electrical engineer I size things like that and everyone fucking argues with me. I even have a document for it that basically says

"Please sign that you have been informed that what you are doing will cause a fire and you were informed of that fact by email"

And then announce that I am not proceeding until the document is signed. So far no one has taken me up on it.

[–] creditCrazy@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Not to mention how with store fronts you don't even really need pavement gravel when used gets the job done and it lets rain water drain away through it and when the place goes bankrupt the lot slowly becomes a park back in my home state of Vermont there's a lot of places that have simple dirt parking lots

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Yep. And the lower density that more parking creates means our cities are an empty wasteland of endless paving.

[–] neanderthal@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

You are my people.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 26 points 2 years ago (4 children)

A friend of mine wants to build a small house on land he legally owns, but he's forbidden by municipality law unless it's a luxury home.

It's dumb. He owns the property, but he doesn't have the money to build a luxury house. Why can't he build a small house?

I guess not dedicating your life to pay off your house is illegal.

[–] Garbanzo@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

land he legally owns

Well the thing is he doesn't really own it. He owns the right to use it, and that right is extremely limited. You really can't say you own land when:

Men with guns will kick you off the land if you stop paying your ~~rent~~ property taxes.
The rights you do have over the land can be removed if the community decides they have a better use for it.
Someone else might own the rights to resources on the land like minerals, oil, or water.
Any substantial improvements or change of use must be approved by the local government.

[–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The crazy thing about the whole situation is it's like the ONE time that the solution is actually deregulation and stronger property rights, but it's also the ONE time libertarians WANT heavy regulations, weak property rights, and big daddy government interfering in your personal life.

I feel like I'm in bizarro world.

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[–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

What makes a luxury home different from any other home?

[–] Garbanzo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

A backsplash in the kitchen made out of those linear tiles in shades of grey, or at least that's what all the house flippers of the last few years seem to think.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Minimum dollar value for the house.

[–] creditCrazy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

So basically the only way you can legally make more houses is if you're looking to make a company town like it's 1900

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[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Because your friend has a zoning board and they don't vote.

[–] STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Imagine legally forcing everyone's house to look the same. Seriously lawn laws in are so bonkers yet nobody bat's an eye at them.

[–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

True Freedom™ is when the government forces every single person to have identical, ugly-ass front lawns for completely arbitrary aesthetic reasons, clearly /s

[–] creditCrazy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It honestly amazes me how Americans warship freedom while they don't use it at all and shame people for being free

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[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Except this is because of zoning and zoning exists because of racism.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 2 years ago (26 children)

How many single parents with four kids can afford a house?

[–] Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 58 points 2 years ago

All of them if it wasn't for greedy corporations.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago

Hey, 2$ is a bid.

[–] Powerpoint@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago

All of them if you take it speculators

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[–] preasket@lemy.lol 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think people misunderstand what BlackRock does. It's a proxy for other investors. Investors all around the world buy assets, produced by BlackRock and BlackRock routes that money into corresponding shares/bonds/real estate, etc.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago (10 children)

The word "Produced" is doing some heavy-lifting in that sentence. When I hear "produced" I think of a factory making stuff that has value or a farm producing food.

[–] preasket@lemy.lol 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It’s a way more generic word than you might think

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[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I create software. Its not farm work nor is it physical but I can assure you I produce deliverables.

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[–] Tillyrblue@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I think Zach Wilson would be doing something else with the single mom

[–] TheDuffmaster@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

There's only 12 people on Lemmy who will get this joke which is a shame, because it's fantastic

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[–] theodewere@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago

this guy just knows there's a lot of cocaine out there and it's against market principles to let it go to waste

[–] unoriginalsin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What single mother of 4 is even shopping for, let alone bidding on, an actual house?

[–] PrimeErective@startrek.website 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A single mom who works two jobs who loves her kids and never stops. With gentle hands and the heart of a fighter...

[–] unoriginalsin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

That cut is deep.

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