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My "favorite" rhetorical riposte to this claim is that "Israel" has been far more deadly towards queer Palestinians than Hamas or other orgs could ever hope to be.

They never have an answer to "Okay, and your bigoted relatives and acquaintances, when do we start killing them? They're right here, what are we waiting for? You're an ally, right?"

As if there is any opinion so onerous that children should be murdered because their parents hold it, or are believed to hold it.

Zionists not only hold some of the most despicable ideas, but manifest those ideas with horrific actions. Yet their children should not be mass executed or starved to death.

Even that is an unapt analogy. It would be more like children of Israelis or Jews or white people. Since the ideas of homophobia are not specifically attributed to Palestinians, but to muslims or Arabic speaking people or whatever suits the person making the argument at the moment.

ETA :its probably a wrong articulation to focus so much on children because could imply there is a moral question regarding the adults. Not my intention but must go offline now can fix later if anyone wants.

Part of eradicating a people in whole or in part is that it will necessarily kill a few "bad" people, or many people with some "bad" ideas, however you define that. As "bad" people and "bad" ideas are found everywhere. If we nitpick perceived faults to justify in this way then what possible genocide would not be justified?

If someone says this to you, ask them if they think their neighbors or co workers or people they take the bus with hold any "bad" ideas. If yes, are they prepared to be sacrificed when the bombs are falling? And their own family too? For being in too physically close proximity to "bad" idea?

Latter argument is weaker overall but might be more convincing for the self centered.

Has anyone actually asked a Palestinian what they think about 'queers for Palestine', or do liberal Zionists get to decide what they think?

Every conversation with libs up until it was actually cool to support Palestine:

Me: Maybe we shouldn't support a genocide

Lib: But they hate queer people!

Me: and that justifies us murdering babies how?

I was sort of on the fence for a while on how I views liberals because I have some friends that are mostly well meaning, but at this point, seeing them foam at the mouth over trying to be more zionist than the Republicans... yeah they gotta go. There is no future in the States as long as liberalism exists. This isn't a team sport.

Libs also can't grasp that they're the ones causing the queer phobia, in the US and elsewhere, by creating the circumstances where people live in false scarcity and then also killing all of the communists that try to offer a material explanation (instead of a racist, homophonic, or nationalist explanation) for people's suffering.

It's doubly silly because that's a big part of what queers for Palestine is about, getting in front of the "we gotta genocide them because they're unwoke homophobes!" chauvinism.

Counter-part of this is people from countries under western imperialist pressure or umbrella claiming that existence of queer people or communities in their society as western subversion. Not realizing this attitude gives easy justification to imperialist projects as far as invasion and occupation.

Of course the military-economic dominance will always try to find socio-cultural excuses to legitimate their blatant materialist or imperialist aims. Back in 19th century it was that Orientals were too effeminate and sodomite to govern themselves, now it is the opposite and they are too bigoted and sexist.

Still, this doesn't excuse very real and sometimes violent prejudice queer people suffer in those countries but indiscriminate mass killing is so obviously contrary to any queer liberation that you have to immediately assume the person suffers from ideological brain rot to even remotely consider that the way to save a group of people from oppression is to kill all of them.

I suppose the phrase "Kill them all God will know his own" is not exclusive to belief systems with an after life, since that's only logical conclusion any of these people who got their brain fried from audaciously blatant propaganda could reach.

Nazis who have been integrated into Ukrainian state and it's armed forces regularly attack pride parades and murder LGBTQ+ people

https://www.reuters.com/article/opinion/commentary-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem-idUSKBN1GV2TC/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0GlGKedYMs

https://vogue.ua/article/vogueuainenglish/how-ukrainepride-helps-the-territorial-defense-the-azov-regiment-in-mariupol-the-lgbt-military-and-more-48580.html

Same sex marriage ain't legal in Ukraine either will they keep that energy then? Your boy newsom is a transphobe but you tut tut your finger at those concerns. Or is purity testing only applicable to

Liberals when Zionists deploy their pinkwashing propaganda: I 100% agree! The resistance must be 100% perfect if not they deserve to be genocided!
Liberals when trans people on bsky criticise Kamala and Newson: Stop purity testing! Also I just fantasised about Republicans sending you to concentration camps.

Having no ability to consider context liberals can only analyze the surface level of situations. It is kinda weird to remember before I had any sense of historical materialism and try to empathize with them.

Liberals when White Queerphobes: "Precious babies, they're just a little misguided. You're hurting their feelings and making them even more queerphobic! This is why we're going to give them everything they want, because then, maybe they'll learn something!

Liberals when POC Queerphobes: "NUKE THEM! KILL THEIR FAMILIES! KILL THEIR CHILDREN! IT'S ALL JUSTIFIED!!!"

Racism, racism everywhere.

Reminds me when many years ago a white "friend" told me "white people only talk about being against racism to alleviate their white guilt." I asked him if white guilt was really the only reason he could think of for a white person to oppose racism. He said yes. I said "What about altruism? Empathy?" He said he didn't really think that was a motivating factor.

Sometimes people really do just tell on themselves.

Liberals support the mass murder of Palestinian queer people by Israel

And the way they say that stuff always sounds like they just barely managed to self-censor the f-slur

Idc I am not queer but I would die happy if I was executed in a free Palestine. I am not a chauvinist whose only purpose in life is to spread his ideas.