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[–] TheSpectreOfGay@hexbear.net 43 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

ughhhh why do these people act like masking is some huge personal sacrifice, it's literally the easiest shit in the world

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 35 points 2 weeks ago

lot of leftists with unexamined reaction about what public health responsibility might look like in a world where we know enough to know that immuno-compromised people also live in society

[–] la_tasalana_intissari_mata@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What does that have to do with masks

[–] la_tasalana_intissari_mata@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

[I refuse to talk with you]

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[–] bigpharmasutra@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

You should really check out the discourse around DSA and masks. Our people aren't exactly putting their best foot forward on this issue.

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[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago

Sometimes I have spend time to root around in a drawer for 5, maybe 10 whole seconds to find a mask before going out! Literally 1984

[–] GamersOfTheWorld@hexbear.net 37 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

kelly "Brace" Yourself for Covid Misinfo

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ironically, Brace has gone on her YT channel before to talk about Elon and Trump, and they seemed to be cool with each other.

Subreddit plus Maoiste que le Brace

[–] GamersOfTheWorld@hexbear.net 38 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

It's so funny how sometimes, a subreddit (or any fan forum in general) can have wildly different beliefs than the OG creators, like, just take Hexbear for example.

cth-logo: Uh, Bernies cool, I guess.

hexbear-logo: KILL ALL SLAVE OWNERS.

[–] hollowmines@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I mean the former got banned for stating the latter, no?

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago

i believe they're contrasting the podcast from the subreddit/hexbear, not the subreddit from hexbear.

[–] GamersOfTheWorld@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I meant more the beliefs of the fan forum (hexbear) vs. the beliefs of the original Chapos. Tbf, I don't know a whole lot about the original Chapo hosts, but just from lurking, I could glean that most people here thought of them as liberal-ish, but feel free to correct me.

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

the original Chapo hosts

They're definitely less radical than the average here, but they've also definitely gone on a similar arc of radicalization as we have, considering some of their comments in recentish episodes about having regrets about their support for Bernie/AOC and others who have had bad responses to the ongoing Palestinian genocide. I just wouldn't expect capybara-fancy to come out with a pro-Stalin take any time soon.

They're e-famous for the same reason every other e-famous person is. They were in the right place at the right time with the right show for the algorithm.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Glean*

Sorry for the pedantry this one just always gets to me

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[–] Azarova@hexbear.net 26 points 2 weeks ago

Cannot imagine still throwing a tantrum over masks in this abominable year of our current era, two-thousand twenty-five.

[–] OTRMNSFSAWG@hexbear.net 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

🤔 https://nitter.net/TaylorLorenz/status/1957302961295524212

"It’s crazy how NYC DSA members are more fascist than many actual Nazis at this point towards disabled ppl. At an event for Trump’s inauguration w literal Nazis in attendance I was masked, multiple ppl there put on masks, asked if my health was ok, one told me abt his sick grandma Nazis are fascists but ironically IRL can be very welcoming & accommodating, hence they are able to effectively radicalize ppl. They show more empathy IRL in spaces they’re recruiting in than these DSA ppl ever have. It’s abhorrent, and another reason the “left” has zero power."

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 30 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

She had a completely exceptional experience with fascists making an accomodation for her disability and made the mistake of assuming that experience was representative of the right. But I think the core of her point, that the left doesn't make sufficient accomodations for immunocompromised people, is correct. Some of our immunocompromised comrades on this site have talked about having the same problem, they couldn't get organized because local DSA or other orgs' chapters didn't want to ask people to mask up (or wouldn't enforce the mask policies).

She's making a hasty generalization to argue something that is itself very reasonable.

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

i don't think she's even doing that. note this part:

They show more empathy IRL in spaces they’re recruiting in [emphasis mine]

it seems clear to me from her words that she doesn't like that this was her experience, that "leftists" have not been as willing to try to accommodate her while recruiting. and that shows part of why they've been effective in radicalizing people. as long as you're not against them (and you're not visibly not white or not hetero), they're willing to try to get you to be with them.

hence they are able to effectively radicalize ppl.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm not American so maybe I'm mistaken here, but my impression is that if you go to stereotypical right wing social spaces like churches, country clubs, right wing bars, etc they're not going to start masking up because one immunocompromised person showed up and asked for that accomodation.

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago

that is exactly correct, and i think that's why the context of this tweet is important. there's also undoubtedly both a racial and gender component to that reaction by them: namely that taylor lorenz is a young, normie-looking white woman. there's nothing that a nazi of this variety would find immediately confrontational about her. in other words, they probably assumed from her immutable characteristics that it was worth their time to be accommodating to her for the sake of recruitment and PR.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago

She had a completely exceptional experience with fascists making an accomodation for her disability and made the mistake of assuming that experience was representative of the right.

They are really good at doing that, it's like they can smell when someone is vulnerable and easy to influence and will play nice in this one instance in order to trick people into thinking they aren't absolute scumbags.

[–] OTRMNSFSAWG@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

DSA worse than Hitler confirmed

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[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

she's literally saying that it's abhorrent that literal Nazis, in the context of their recruiting, have been more kind and empathetic than social democrats.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago

I think a lot of her critics are arguing against her as if she was saying the fascists are more correct than the left because of this, but what she's saying is that the left easily can and should change this one thing so more people can get organized.

[–] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago

Why are they so upset about an immunocompromised person advocating masks?

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

(they also dunk on her for a take she apparently had about kids needing their phones in school — assuming they're not misrepresenting her, I guess that is a pretty bad take)

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 29 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

there are lots of good reasons for kids to have access to phones in school where it's completely reasonable. access to medical devices, being able to communicate emergencies, record harm being done to themselves or another. just because being on tiktok precludes being educated in that moment doesn't mean being a cop is more reasonable.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

There is not yet a body of research that supports either side of this argument, and there might not be, since much of the research this professor was conducting is now dead due to Trump DEI policy.

What is true, and what we know for sure, is the capitalist wants the phone and tablet in a child's hand as early as possible. Google wants Chromebooks in schools to make students dependent on their tools. Apple wants the same and are less successful at it. Meta wants a comprehensive psychological profile of the child to hyper target products and reproduce capitalist social values in the minds of children. They want to be the 3rd and most permissive parent in the home. They want your child engaging with AI so they can use it as a wedge in the privatization of education. They undoubtedly see the phone, the tablet, and the internet at large as the single most influential and powerful tool for mass production and reproduction of culture. They want to read your inbox, your text messages, your voice calls, and mine them all for every ounce of insight into their psychological operations effectiveness.

I think it is completely reasonable to be of the position that less phone/tablet access is good. Especially since it would seem media consumption at a young age backdoors capitalist ideology into kids and shapes the way they understands the world. Considering that there has been a seriously uncritical implementation of technology in education, which I think is only now starting to change, I believe parents should petition their schools to take a more critical and proactive approach to device use, and that these prohibitions are actually not enough and parents should be demanding more oversight on the topic.

I've talked in the past about the fact that students live most of their academic life inside a panopticon, and in many ways I think this primes students to be uncritical and even embrace the surveillance state that we find ourselves in now. All of these forms of technology, under capitalist control, are part of the effort to shape and steer culture. There should be demands for schools to implement digital literacy programs coupled with a reduction in technology use, not just for students, but also for staff, administration, and faculty. One that recognizes technology as a potential tool, but that also highlights it's corrupting influence.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I can't give a lot of details without doxing myself, but I went to a school that restricted mobile phone usage a lot after an incident that students recorded and attracted a lot of negative attention from parents. After the crackdown, bad stuff kept happening (girls getting beaten by boyfriends, cruel bullying, kids yelling slurs and whatnot) but it just wasn't recorded and publicized. The school's security personnel would act like cops and confiscate your phone if you tried to record something like that.

On the other hand, you're totally right about capital wanting better access to children's data. And my anecdotal experience from going to university and using my phone during some lectures is that it definitely is an impediment to learning, I shouldn't do that stuff (obviously there is no reasonable argument for regulating this on an organizational basis since university students are adults).

shrug-outta-hecks I don't know if I have a firm position, yet, honestly.

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[–] Feinsteins_Ghost@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

There really aren't lot of good reasons, actually. Ask folks who went to school before cellphones were ubiquitous, how crucial they actually are.

Emergency is the only reason, and even then the argument stands that there are responsible adults abound, sorta negating a cellphone for an emergency.

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (9 children)

you are being reactionary. asserting that "people did school just fine before phones. emergency is the only reason i can think of or know about and therefore the only actual reason," does not essentially differ from any other argument of the form "X was fine before the advent of techology Y, therefore technology Y is at best redundant and probably harmful." that's not even an argument, it's just the form of a thought-terminating cliche. there are even kids now running their diabetes pump off their phone. it's also the case that a small minority of young people are legitimately "addicted" to their phones. when a student recedes from the educational setting, it does not differ whether it's into tiktok or a book. and they're doing that for psychological reasons that need to be addressed at the root, not by furthering controlling and mandating the body and mind. you are advocating for a blanket application of discipline and punishment solely on the grounds that you are unimaginative and ignorant.

[–] SchillMenaker@hexbear.net 30 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I get that you're trying to make a point but if you ever say reading a book and watching TikTok is the same thing again I'll use your email address to donate to Kamala Harris.

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

michael-laugh

it's less different for more reasons than you'd probably like to think. but yeah, i do think reading is much preferable, and was making the point that when it comes to being distracted from education, it doesn't really matter via interaction with what medium.

[–] SchillMenaker@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I totally understand and see the contours of your point I just want you to know that I swear to fucking God I'll make the DNC think you're the world's biggest liberal if you ever do it again.

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[–] Carl@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

there are even kids now running their diabetes pump off their phone

I'm not denying that this is happening, but why oh god why does the diebetes pump require a cell phone to operate?

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago

yea the worst part is that my partner is an educator and this was a genuine example she gave when describing to me the conversation her colleagues had about their upcoming no-tolerance cell phone policy and exceptions they'd need to generally try to abide by to not overpolice the kids.

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[–] D61@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago

Would have been interesting to have video evidence of bullying to take to teachers and parents instead of being shut down with "don't be a tattle-tale".

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[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, I agree, they're almost definitely misrepresenting how she phrased her argument in that thread because they're talking about it like she said that kids should be allowed to spend all class on their phones if they feel like it. I don't know what she originally said, maybe I just shouldn't comment on it at all because I CBA to go to twitter or whatever to find it.

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

if my memory serves, not that long ago she did a piece that in part debunks Jonathan Haidt's panic mongering about kids on phones, and i believe makes several points about why a student might have valid reason to use their phone during school hours, and that it doesn't make sense to just short-circuit your brain and start doing police actions at the kids.

edit: found the video she did about this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBLX3fzNIrE

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[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not for schools that use some stupid overpriced technology that is essentially a high tech plastic bag to keep the phones locked away all day.

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