I hate that I agree with Saskatchewanβs DUI hire on anything.
this post was submitted on 28 Aug 2025
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Moe definitely wants those Canola countermeasures dropped. I don't mind this ask from him, from the POV of EVs or canola.
Thanks. I was racing in head trying to find a reason why he's saying this. This makes sense. They buy our canola, we buy their EVs.
Because smith said it 2 weeks ago
So we fuck over a major Ontario industry to unfuck a major Saskatchewan industry.
BYD and Geely are dumping EVs below cost, hiding a debt that may be bigger than Evergrande. The point is to put local auto industry out of business.
And while people somehow see the appeal of TEMU cars, the reality in Australia is that buyers are complaining about poor reliability already after just 2 years.
The Ontario EV industry at any point can start making a smaller, cheaper EV that's not a Crossover SUV abomination. We need smaller smart car sized EVs in the sub $20,000 range (in addition to better transit, please don't crucify me Lemmy).
What Ontario EV industry?
Exactly.
Evolve with the future or die with the past.
Speaking as someone who still mourns the loss of the Australian car industry.
Good question. Like I say, maybe they should adapt. And I say that as a stupid idiot Albertan who works in oil and gas, but hey for now yeeeehaw.
Yes but other than government handouts to industry, the EV industry in Canada has no momentum. Moreover, between Assolini's eagerness to destroy the world, Smith's anti-EV lobbying, and Carney's corporate profits-first agenda, I don't see EV manufacturing getting off the ground in Canada any time soon. I bet Carney will soon strike down (or 'postpone') the EV quota mandate for Canadian car manufacturers, to go into effect in 2026, I think, further eroding momentum. Other parts of the world are passing North America by when it comes to renewables while we're asleep at the wheel because the oligarchs in this country obstinately refuse to reduce fossil fuel dependence and our political and media classes keep bowing to them
I just want my partner to be able to afford a car, we already have an EV. There's zero convincing me to buy an ICE vehicle; that ship's sailed. I'm happy to support both Ontario AND Saskatchewan, but the current cost and selection of vehicles we make domestically cost more than they are worth and FUCKING SUCK.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/ford/f-150/2021/reliability/
Canada's best selling vehicle, is it not?
Bingo. People in forums say they want EVs that are affordable, put people on the 401 buy $70,000 pickup trucks. Ford tried with the Lightning no one bought them, and unlike Tesla , Ford stock value depends on sales and income.
It's almost like that is 2 different groups of people.
I've never had a vehicle bigger than a 4 cylinder "econobox".
And the last time I needed to replace my vehicle I was actively looking for an EV of a similar size to what I had always driven, but nobody had one available for me to buy.
Did you read the link?
It'd be nice to have cost effective Canadian made EVs, but if more on the road is the goal, this is a much faster way. China makes some compelling EV's at very competitive prices.
Since when has Canada ever made even fuel efficient cars?
No we shouldn't.
Batteries? Sure Whole cars? No
Why?
The damn things are computers with wheels, and we should not allow nonallied (potentially even US) made control of such systems.
On one hand:
- cheaper EV options would be dope!
On the other hand:
- dependancy on China/CCP seems risky at best reckless at worst.
Personally I'd rather see increased incentives or pushing negotiations with South Korea or Germany for EV alternatives
We should get assembly deals in Canada with Renault. Their EVs are smaller, much cheaper and selling so well they can't produce them fast enough. The entire concept of EVs being expensive is a fabrication of the industry. It now costs less to make an EV than an ICE, battery costs have dropped 90% in a decade. Tesla makes the highest profit margins in the industry. But, we let Detroit not only dictate the large trucks we make, but close the CDN market to smaller foreign EVs.
I was just in France and the new Renault 5 EV is absolutely amazing for a low cost commuting vehicle. I'd be happy to see French cars on Canadian roads again...
EU now has a dozen EV cars under 25,000 euro. But Europe also has a real transit system so EVs don't require 4000lbs of batteries.
Dependency on the US seems reckless at best and disastrous at worst
Those are not mutually exclusive.
China is a necessary evil to stop US aggression. SK and Europe combined donβt have the military strength unfortunately.
Ideally our allies would be EU, CANZUK, China
How does cheaper options on a product = dependency?
It's the model of companies/China running at a loss until you squeeze out any viable competitors then once you've captured the market increase price and/or enshittify your product.
Talk to all the retail shops shut down by Walmart and Amazon.
cheap chinese motors and batteries for ebikes pls
We're getting both of those things already. You looked on Amazon lately? EVs means electric cars
Electric Velocipede
checkmate