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Will they lobby for laws that prohibit Linux or make it difficult to install? What actions might they take in the future?

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[–] audaxdreik@pawb.social 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Some others have already said the "embrace, extend, extinguish" but here's my take on it. Pair it with Secure Boot and TPM 2.0

  • Embrace: Secure Boot can already work with Linux, how lucky! This gives them not exactly control, but authoritative denial over your boot process and hardware.
  • Extend: This is the part that remains to be seen. If they feel threatened enough by the shift in the gaming landscape, mind you not over losing out on sales or the hearts of gamers or anything, but again control, they may begin to make Linux offerings. A concession to allow an honest to god, thick Office client on Linux would certainly appeal to some. Adobe gets in on that action to back them up with Photoshop and Activision with Call of Duty, etc.
  • Extinguish: TPM 2.0. One of the less talked about features of this is remote attestation ("Remote attestation allows changes to the user's computer to be detected by authorized parties. For example, software companies can identify unauthorized changes to software, including users modifying their software to circumvent commercial digital rights restrictions." - DRM). We're already seeing this with CoD on Windows. They'll allow you to run much requested Windows software on Linux, even provide direct support possibly, but at the cost of not precisely control but authoritative denial. Which still works out to be control in most ways since if you want to use the software and they are to remotely attest, they can also insist that part of that attestation is you running some sort of telemetry or not running software they disagree with.

The reason I think this route is highly likely is because it plays well with uninformed consumers. To the untrained eye it looks like they're giving ground and actually allowing for broader support of their software while effectively gaining control over the environment once again and removing the biggest benefits of running FOSS on your system.

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also worth noting that they own Github, which puts them in a position to disrupt a huge amount of Linux infrastructure if they ever feel like it. They might also pull some weird move like trying to buy Canonical or something like that.

[–] audaxdreik@pawb.social 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is a good point. I've been trying to make it clear in a lot of my predictions that Microsoft doesn't want or even need full control, just enough. They don't even need to do anything particular here other than continue to manage github with their current level of incompetence.

Was trying to source an article here, wasn't there just an outage or some other major issue a few days ago? Anyways ...

[–] SL3wvmnas@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 week ago

I think what's missing is the author of pulseaudio and systemd among other "modern" Linux tech (I.e. adopted by many popular distros) is a Microsoft employee.

[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Exactly what they're doing right now. What cable companies did. What every dominant business does when something better starts to eat their lunch.

Become increasingly abusive and scummy towards the customers who are left, because they're either too deeply ingrained, spineless or lazy to change and they've already self-selected.

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[–] Kirk@startrek.website 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Windows is only 12% of Microsoft's revenue, and between Mac, Linux and ChromeOS, it really doesn't have a monopoly anymore on desktop (about 70%). On top of that, desktop usage in general is decreasing, and is already less than 50% of all web traffic.

What I'm saying is that I think it's safe to say something else will likely "kill" Windows long before Linux ever becomes a serious threat to it.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Windows is only 12% of Microsoft’s revenue

That may be true, but a lot of their profits build on that Windows monopoly. I wouldn't be surprised if about 80% of their profits depend on Windows.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Do you have a source for that? This chart says otherwise:

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Thanks for the chart. 👍
Tomato tomato.
I wrote profits, and from the chart you show, clearly above 50% of their revenue is from Windows and derived products.
Last I heard the profit margin for Windows and Office was around 90%, AFAIK by far the highest of the business. So I'm pretty sure that combined with Server products Search and the part of gaming that is on Windows, it will be very close to 80% of the profits.

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[–] Auth@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Work with hardware and software vendors to break linux compatibility.

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 6 points 1 week ago

Which in the precise moment when Linux is a serious threat is not possible since there is no assurance that the hardware vendors would accept, given they now have an alternative.

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[–] ugo@feddit.it 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

My expectation: nothing. At least, nothing on the OS side. I don’t think windows is very important to microsoft strategically.

Nowadays, the way to capture audiences is not so much via a proprietary OS, but via proprietary apps.

And in that sense, microsoft is proceeding exactly as expected: more and more of the windows ecosystem either exists on the web, or is available on linux and macos too.

I can see a future where windows only exists for backwards compatibility, but otherwise:

  • dotnet apps run on linux (via dotnet core)
  • edge runs on linux
  • powershell runs on linux
  • visual studio code runs on linux
  • most of the rest of microsoft’s suite runs in the web

So what does microsoft need to do once windows collapses in the desktop space? Imo not much, really. Those people and companies that are tied to microsoft products will still be. Only, they might be running them on linux.

Edit to add: I am gonna place a bet that we’re gonna see an official microsoft linux distribution by the end of 2035

[–] dihutenosa@piefed.social 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

An official Microsoft Linux distro has existed for a while now: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azure_Linux

There's more Linux than Windwoes VMs in Azure, I hear.

[–] ugo@feddit.it 4 points 1 week ago

Fair, a desktop-oriented distro is what I meant :)

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

it never ceases to be mind boggling that IT in most institutions are still so closely married to windows when it's clear that the landscape has changed and it makes me suspect that they will be the last bastions of windows dominance.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Active Directory is a hell of a drug, as is Group Policy

[–] Zucca@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

... and unfortunately so is Share Point.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago

Oof, yeah, sharepoint is horrible

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[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Businesses live and die by if it broke don't fix it.

They're still a non insignificant number of businesses using Cobol applications.

[–] ronigami@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Mostly die.

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[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Well there is the 9/11 change that may be happening soon: https://techrights.org/n/2025/08/26/The_UEFI_9_11_Part_I_Introduction_to_Impending_Catastrophe_Micr.shtml

Its possible a LOT of linux machines wont work after this date.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 4 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Hopefully people who use SecureBoot have plans in place

[–] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 8 points 1 week ago

I just disabled SecureBoot on my end.

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Hopefully!

Another funny thing is that there is speculation because firmware developers...many not actually be checking the dates at all in some cases. Cause that would mean extra work. So its very possible this date comes and goes, nothing happens to cheap devices.

That was based on conversations im seeing in other forums. Not sure honestly.

Either way, we will find out soon!

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[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

Hear me out on this one "Microsoft Linux"

[–] chaitae3@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes exactly. Embrace and extinguish has always been Microsoft's strategy. They'll release their own distribution and either make it slower and more complicated than Windows, so that everyone thinks Windows is the better OS, or they'll make it a cloud OS like Chrome, requiring recurring payments to use Office 365 and everything else.

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[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Secure boot and anti-cheat.

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 4 points 1 week ago

That not an option. If Linux is a serious threat it means that a normal people could use it without any problem, with all the common software needed (Office, a browser and few other things).
At this point trying to lock down the PC to have the be able to run Windows is not really an option, people could simply choose to not use Windows anymore and be productive anyway.

Only problem are games, but it is probably solvable

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Linux has been becoming a "serious threat" for 20+ years now. I'll wait.

Don't get me wrong I like Linux a lot. But if you step back and look objectively, it has a lot of issues trying to grow outside the hobby/enthusiast community for the desktop.

[–] zygo_histo_morpheus@programming.dev 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think that linux has a couple of things that might help it grow outside its traditional niche that it hasn't in the past. Proton has been a major step forward in to the gaming scene. A lot of people are very unhappy about windows 11. The EU in particular is also investing in ways to get out from under American techs thumb due to the geopolitical landscape.

I don't have too high expectations personally but who knows.

[–] kepix@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

pays even more to hardware manufacturers to add windows by default, and make drivers windows only.

[–] eldain@feddit.nl 12 points 1 week ago

Adapt and fight. Linux is the dominant OS for everything, so Windows started to support it (wsl) so they don't loose developers. Secure boot worked as a moat for a while and the MS monopoly on OS keys is still an obstacle. Linux works better on ARM than Windows, so obviously Qualcom Laptops have a locked down bootloader. They will continue to lock themselfes into the future with money and development resources.

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago

Well the Xbox app that suspends Windows processes is a reaction to this threat. The threat not being Linux in general but SteamOS and Proton specifically. I don’t think anyone imagined it would be gaming that would usher in the era of Linux but it does seem that that will be the case.

[–] Majestic@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Make a version of Office that works on Linux natively.

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[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Honestly, ms won't do anything.

unofficial statement out of Microsoft have Linux VMs overtaking the Windows VMs in Azure.

Why should they worry about losing a once off $1100 sale of a Server 2025 license when they can sell you a 2 CPU 8Gb ram Azure VM for $150 a month? Or $113/m commited for 3 years ($4000 total)

[–] tekato@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Desktop users (except for business) don’t make Microsoft any money, so they probably don’t care.

[–] Bronstein_Tardigrade@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 week ago (7 children)

M$ is switching to defense and surveillance software. Once they failed to force their crap OS into the phone market, they knew their monopoly days were numbered on the PC. They are hoping to lock in devs on GitHub, but it looks like that might backfire with their overt push for CoPilot use.

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[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Just my guess here, but...

The desktop/laptop sort of form factor is associated in people's minds with unlocked bootloaders. People expect to be able to install Linux on them if they want to. Tablets, game systems, and other sorts of consumer electronics, not so much. I'm thinking Microsoft will do what it can to push hardware manufacturers and the software industry as a whole more in the direction of the kinds of devices that consumers already expect to be locked down like tablets or game systems that are "streaming" game systems. And that way, the bootloader will prevent folks from switching to Linux.

[–] Korkki@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

The question is also what would US government do. You miss the fact that windows-x86 complex is self supporting cornerstone of US soft and economic power, also spying. What will they do to prop up that monopoly?

[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.org 4 points 1 week ago
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