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cross-posted from: https://jlai.lu/post/24787719

Starting next year, Google will begin to verify the identities of developers distributing their apps on Android devices, not just those who distribute via the Play Store.

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[–] Wrrzag@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Is this just a signature check when installing? Could it be bypassed by getting your dev cert and just signing everything you want to install? Things like obtainium and fdroid could even have a "load your own cert" option and automate this.

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My blood glucose monitor is not on the play store. So one dy next year I'll wake up and no longer be able to get that data...?

[–] Peter_Arbeitsloser@feddit.org 50 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sorry, your survival is incompatible with this version of Android.

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You are probably half-joking, but.... yeah.

I fucking hate this timeline. Actually, scratch that, that is way to placid and abstract.

I hate the assholes in charge. Fuck all of them. Luigi did nothing wrong.

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The terrible risk that you install apps which don't use google-tagmanager, googleanalytics and don't send logging and user data to Alphabet.

[–] rickywithanm@aussie.zone 6 points 2 days ago

Won’t someone think of the ~~children~~ shareholders

[–] toneburst@lemmy.4d2.org 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It seems Google has been tightening control over Android in recent years and this looks like the next major step. Most people probably won’t care and the only realistic option for users who value software freedom and privacy is to wait until Linux or another free and open-source OS becomes a viable alternative. Overall a disappointing turn of events for the mobile computing space

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

mobile computing space

I'm starting to feel like the Mobile Computing space died somewhere around when the Subnotebooks and the PDAs died and we've been living illusions ever since.
It's the Mobile Appliance™ space now.

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

FairPhone with /e/OS by default is the EU answer by the e-Foundation

[–] mapu@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They're closing in on alternative ROMs with their fucking shitty device integrity checks, I'm afraid it's only getting worse. I literally had to switch back to stock Android because none of the e-government apps of the country I live in NOR two out of my three banks work on /e/. Literally impossible to participate in society unless I sell my soul to Google, sadly.

I really hope we're able to fight back and win the war.

[–] Ferk@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That's sad, and so backwards...

If they really wanted to make sure the data on the phone is safe, the integrity checks should be about making sure the phone is built from FOSS with available source code, that can be publicly audited and even the banks themselves could check it for security.. which should actually rule Google services out, not the other way around!

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[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 3 days ago

My personal favorite is how they are doing it to prevent data theft and malware. All they have ever done is trick people out of data. All of their shitty apps that I can not remove from my Samsung phone ARE the malware I do not want. Fuck Google and every person that works there!

[–] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 80 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Whoa, whoa, whoa! What the actual fuck, Google‽

I swear to Hephaestus, at this point I'm considering switching to UBPorts or Sailfish OS or something...

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[–] doctortofu@piefed.social 71 points 3 days ago (5 children)

And, just like that, no more modded apps, no more custom stores, everything is tightly under control unless you install a custom ROM (and then it's no more banking apps,etc.). And it's all for our own good, after all, big brother Google knows what's best for us!

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 26 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Some banking apps do work so it would be helpful not to spread that misconception.

[–] 2deck@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

True. Also, most banks offer a web interface.

[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago

For now... :(

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[–] StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 66 points 3 days ago (1 children)

While I won't tell people exactly what to search, I can guarantee that I can find malware first try on Google Play. Google Play Integrity is just as dodgy.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

When a preventative measure very obviously won't solve the stated problem, that may not be what it's really there to solve. This is another of Google's anti-open-source moves designed to bring all Android devices entirely under their control and surveillance. It goes along with their bringinh all Android development in house and making it harder for third parties to make their own custom versions of Android (Graphene OS etc.). It also seems a little odd that this happens right when several countries are introducing requirements that users supply ID to visit websites.

[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 3 days ago

It is like the whole world becomes a psychopathic dictatorship overnight.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 46 points 3 days ago (2 children)

shit like this really should be illegal

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[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Wish we lived in a world where open source was funded even at a single percentage of what this oligopoly pulls in each year. We'd have a viable alternative to the duopoly by now.

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[–] thedruid@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Fuck off. This is my last android phone

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[–] TheCoralReefsAreDying69@lemmy.world 43 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Custom ROM usage is gonna explode

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 35 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Probably why Google is also taking steps to make custom ROM development significantly more difficult. They evidently want to kill off all Android ecosystems except the ones they control and watch.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Time to fund /e/OS GraoheneOS etc but also bridges like Waydroid until we can use e.g. PmOS and avoid Android altogether.

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[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm probably going to spam this around a bit, since most people don't seem to know about it, but a reminder that FuriLabs has a (GNU+)Linux phone with decent spec.s and the ability to run Android app.s (from what I've heard) pretty decently: https://furilabs.com/

Biggest drawback is it's based on Halium. Usual growing pains of a new product/company apply but apparently the company is pretty responsive and their dev.s have worked with customers to get things like calling working with the carrier and bands of their country where it hasn't worked before so improvements move pretty quickly.

Collection of different experiences I've variously seen online over the last year or so:

I don't own one, myself, so I can't give any personal experience but I've seen it around for a few years now but most people don't seem to even know about it. Maybe there's a reason for that? But none I've ever seen anyone say.

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[–] trewq@piefed.social 37 points 3 days ago (4 children)

setting up walled garden using security excuse. What's the next excuse?

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 days ago

Won’t somebody please think of the children!

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[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 10 points 2 days ago

Yawn. Guess more people will just have to not install gapps..

[–] mas@jlai.lu 36 points 3 days ago (2 children)

To be clear, developers will have the same freedom to distribute their apps directly to users through sideloading or to use any app store they prefer.

They’re fucking with us

https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2025/08/elevating-android-security.html

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

yup, they are closing in. i wonder why the surveillance wing of the fascist regime wants to control everyone's digital life that more tightly.

you guys may have the power to protest this before it goes worldwide. i wonder if there will be real pushback.

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[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Apps that use dark patterns (aka almost everything in the play store) are more harmful than apps commonly flagged as malware.

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[–] tomyhaw@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago

Wow thanks for posting this. I read the whole thing but what I'm not getting is the fact that their started concern is apks "side loaded". This is aimed directly at the foss community as normal people already won't I stall anything outside of the play store. No non tech enthusiasts go straight to git hub ...

[–] xcjs@programming.dev 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] parpol@programming.dev 29 points 3 days ago

Sounds like another lawsuit waiting to happen

[–] Balldowern@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 days ago

So I guess my next phone will be a Chinese phone. Even if it spies on me, I'll have the freedom to install whatever I want from anywhere.

The Chinese have a golden window of opportunity. Let's hope they don't mess this up.

[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

For fucks sake, let's find out what Fairphone needs in the US to be used with other services and create a gofundme for them to get it. Goddamn I am beyond sick of Google's shit right now. It is constantly a nightmare to get around their bloatware and deal with the rest of the surveillance nightmare on a daily basis. Fairphone works on T Mobile but they suck!

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[–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

ELI5 if this will affect the use of F-Droid?

[–] TheCoralReefsAreDying69@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

If you have the stock OS from the manufacturer, it will affect you. If you flash a custom ROM, it won't.

Edit: You can still use F-Droid regardless of which android you're running, but if you run stock you can only install the apps that have developers registered with google.

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