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U.S. health care is something else. It took me 7 years to be diagnosed with a well-known disease that has a median survival duration of 2.5 years from onset.
I'll leave it to your imagination the obstacles I faced. Frankly, I don't want to think about it.
How much of what you experienced is due to the medical mindset (doctors are morons)?
I'm not sure exactly what you mean but I would attribute it to four main reasons:
My situation didn't improve until I was finally referred to a couple physicians in the right specialty who truly care and were willing to fight my insurance.
Who told you about shorter wait times? Oftentimes you have to wait in months.
US -> Canada here
I hear this often in Canada, but honestly the wait times are similar. In the US it would often take me ~3 months to be able to see my endo. Also, at least you can get healthcare here.
I can see my primary within hours normally, she can’t do much except refer me to who I really need see and those appointments take weeks to make and months to get to.
I have a chronic pain issue and my primary referred me to a specialist that took sox months to see. They referred me to a different specialist with a six month wait-list. They then referred me to a more specific sub-specialist for another three month wait. I live in a reasonably well-off and well populated area, so I'm not out in flyover country or anything. I've heard the same from many people. Short wait-lists in America is a myth.
100%. Took me 3 months to get an ENT appointment. They've still done fuck all about the actual issue almost a year and a half later. The profit incentive is for return customers, not to actually fucking cure anything here.
We desperately need more doctors, and those doctors need to cost less.
Free college would make a big difference for that.
Sort of. The US medical system has multiple choke points, but an undergraduate degree is the least limiting. The bigger barriers are the limited number of med school spots and the even smaller number of residency spots. Med school is a whole discussion, I don't even think you should need an undergraduate degree, but whatever. The final filter is residency spots, which are functionally set by the government. They pay hospitals to take residents, and will only pay for a certain number each year. We gotta increase that number if we want to stop throwing away educated doctors before they can even get to helping people.
My other favorite refrain was the “You can keep your doctor!” crap that was a big selling point for that crowd.
In this system I have had 4 doctors move practices while under their care because they’re playing the capitalist system. I was not able to benefit from continuity of care in any form.
But at least I had to pay for it, not get it for “free” from a natl healthcare system. Yay.
Seems like a simple enough case that there can be a fact of the matter. Either U.S. wait time are shorter than single payer systems on average or they're not; no need to rely on anecdotal stuff.
Is there anyone that can point to some good data on the subject?
Honestly? I can't do the searching for you this time, but it's all the top results when you look for average wait times between countries. The data is easy to access. Pretty much all developed nations have similar numbers, with wide variation between specialties.
Shorter wait lmao
I've been waiting for almost a year to see a specialist for my depression
I have health insurance and my parents have money to pay for it, just that we aren't rich enough to skip the line
Does american healthcare really have shorter wait times? I've seen a lot of people waiting and done a lot of waiting myself.
Is there any data?
it depends on the insurance, and the providers, kaiser has pretty fast appointments, by usually caters to the west coast, and its pretty expensive hmo plan. some i heard can be weeks or months, depending on where too.
While it may depend on what country you want to compare it to there is nothing about privatization that inherently reduces wait times. My experience is that after leaving the US my wait times are equivalent or improved.
Private insurance just means you wait, it costs a lot more, and you're way more likely to delay treatment of your own accord because the profit motive makes the system a financial terror and a psychological torment.
its also propagandized, designed to make people wait, because the insurance would rather you pay for insurance and not use its services at all, because thats costs them money each time. hence thats why they raise rates for OLDER people(55+), to price them out of the system, and you hare the shitty ones like UHC/UHG, or blue shield deny drugs or procedures all the time.
Remember pre-existing condition exclusions? Hahahs good times 🤑
if i had to pay for healthcare i better not be fucking waiting.
I probably don't need to tell you this, but don't visit the US.
Depends on the procedure. Orthopedic surgery in the USA is pretty fast to get. Getting an MRI approved when compared to, say Japan, takes forever.
I accidentally sliced my finger and non stop bleeding in the ER for 5 hours straight.
This was from 2am to 7am. Not exactly peak times.
American healthcare is broken.
I went to the ER in a wealthy part of the Denver metro with abdominal pain and a significant fever. I was in the waiting room for at least 8 hours for them to decide I might have a perforated bowel and I was admitted. It ended up being diverticulitis.
It makes my head explode when people say wait times are longer in countries with public systems because all the hypochondriacs will be abusing it. Motherfucker, wait times are ridiculous now.
No no. It cant be. Everyone in America keeps telling me the wait times in Canada are so high because of socialized medicine and you only have to wait 7 seconds to see a doctor in the glorious US of A.
Am Canadian. Got stung by a wasp on the foot last Saturday. Got worried yesterday when i noticed the red area around the sting grew. Contacted my gp's office at the CLSC, got an appointment to see her this morning, got a scrip for antibiotics since she thinks it's likely an infection, picked it up this pm and starting it tonight. 0$ for the consult, antibiotics are ~60$ (that's the only place my private insurance kicks in, my out of pocket is 12$).
And this is a very standard experience in Quebec - with 1 caveat: my family's fortunate enough to have an assigned GP, there's a shortage and a pretty long (2y I think) waiting list; on the flip side there are a ton of walking/24/48h appointment clinics (also 0$) for those without.
When i say 0$, i want to be clear: it's not free, it's part of what's covered by the RAMQ, which is the provincial health insurance company, but our yearly premium for that insurance is at most 800$.
That's what happens when the health insurance is designed to hedge and amortize social costs rather than generate profits...
I am also Canadian and having used both healthcare system, I want to tell you that your Canadian conservative friends and conservative political talking points are all lying to you. It's far faster in Canada than in America.
My point of view was from a suburb in Toronto and Vancouver vs NYC and Seattle.
I had something similar happen to me like 5 years ago. I chopped part of my finger tip off with a slightly rusty axe while camping after having a few too many.
I went into the ER the next day, waited about the same amount of time as you to be seen to have it checked out and get a tetanus booster. I got a bills from each doctor that happened to walk by, totalling in the realm of $2,000 after insurance. Literally all each did was say, "Ouch, lucky you didn't hit the bone!"
Luckily, my fingertip grew back without nerve damage or anything. I'll probably try to stay up on my shots and get more confident on dressing myself next time, maybe try and make friends with nurses/vet techs. Shit's broken on every level.
U.S. healthcare has shorter waits
Is that even really true to begin with?
My thought exactly. Specialists are booking months out.
I'm not from the US but once I was in Orlando and took a friend to the hospital cause she wasn't feeling well, she had insurance. We waited 4 hrs to even see a doctor, I have never waited that long even in public hospitals in my country
i waited that long in public subsidized healthcare, i think they forgot me one time, when they put me in a room, i dint see anyone for like 4 hours because they forgot.
That’s because ERs are the only way poor people see doctors in the US. Since we can’t go see a GP without insurance and a copay, we wait for the stomach pain that could have been treated to turn into sepsis from a gaping ulcer and then crowd into the ER.
You guys should have rioted decades ago, I feel sorry for you, animals live better than (non rich) americans
Still too much to lose, plus the cops have surplus military gear.
americans have pussified/pacified by anti-healthcare propaganda for decades.
I called my primary for my annual checkup, they can't get me in for 2 months. It's getting bad out there
Not remotely, no. I've been on a wait-list for a few weeks for appointments that are a minimum scheduled 3 months in advance.
Why do you think healthcare is tied to employment?
They only want to help if they can get a return on their investment. That's all we are to them.
That's all we've ever been.
The problem is that there's a hell of a lot more of us than there are of them.
If we could only use our collective power to change things to favour all workers instead of the owners and elites.... If only there was some way to regulate them into compliance to provide better, safer, and fairer, working conditions... To add some layer of oversight, where dozens of people that represent the majority of people across the nation to help bring forward what the people want, instead of the 1% just doing whatever the fuck they want....
That would be amazing. If only it existed...
Both parties are doing everything they can to make sure it doesn't.