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I was watching a TikTok live of a fellow comrade and saw a message in the chat by “user bunch-of-numbers” that said MAGA Communism was the future.

I, stupidly, responded “no it isn’t, come on now.” I did so because I wanted to shut that shit down immediately but that only spurred him on. I should’ve known better.

He responded with “yes it is, you are a rad lib.”

Notice how he insulted me first? So in turn I responded “MAGA communism is not the future, you’re a weirdo conservative.” While I usually keep the insults in my mind and try to stay level headed, I felt comfortable matching energy because he called me a fucking radlib.

He then continued “most of the American proletariat are Trumpers and we need to reach them.”

I said “yes, the working class should be reached but not while validating their bigotries.” I believe that you have to meet people where they are at, mostly regarding education such as not using unfamiliar words or concepts, while NOT validating their hatred of minorities.

He countered “Stalin and the Red Army defeated Hitler, not blue haired multigenders.” I shit you not, this is what he said. I never specified what bigotry I was talking about since MAGA people embody them all, but he seemed to get really defensive over my statement.

I then asked “because most trumpers are incredibly racist, does that make their racism okay then?” Since he seems to be fine with homophobia and transphobia, that must mean he is okay with racism too.

He stated “most of them aren’t racist, but the ones who are of course it is not okay.”

With that I said “okay, well are blue haired multigenders not also proletariat?”

And I swear to god he said “most of them are not. Baristas are not proletariat.”

Who the fuck brought up baristas? Not me! With that I asked “what makes queer people not proletariat?”

And guess what? He stopped responding and just continued talking to others in the chat and repeating that MAGA communism was the future.

I know I should have just ignored his ass but I just couldn’t. I am the type that cannot let that shit slide, because when I do I end up feeling awful physically (achy knees for some reason) and mentally.

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[–] pyromaiden@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

"Baristas aren't proletariat" gives the game away. That person has never read theory and doesn't understand your class is determined by your relation to capital, not by your profession.

Bro has never read Marx, Lenin, Stalin, et al.

MAGA "communists" are just fascist LARPers using Leftist language to camouflage their reactionary politics. Fascists do this all the time.

Most proles - however you define that term - are most definitely not conservatives. Most of the work force are either immigrants or minorities; neither of whom vote GOP by large margins. I can attest to this as I have personal experience in manufacturing/warehouse work and have known many people who worked construction as well.

[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 week ago

I wish I could agree with "most are not." At best, it seems regional.

[–] SpaceDogs@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I honestly don’t understand why the ACP/MAGA communists don’t consider baristas proletariat. Were the coffee makers in the USSR not part of the working class? I know it’s to do with some flavour of queerphobia, and because they hate queer people then that must mean they are bourgeoisie. I don’t know how these people can call themselves communists when they don’t even know it’s most basic concepts.

[–] pyromaiden@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 week ago

It's honestly not even about baristas often being young college-age kids, minorities, liberals or left-leaning.

It's just a pinkwashed version of "real jobs" wherein the only "real jobs" involve hard labor. Construction, manufacturing, trucking, farming, mining, etc. Things associated with "masculinity" basically. This is the same argument as the "burger-flippers don't deserve a living wage because it's not a real job" line conservatives are always using to justify the poverty wages fast food workers get.

ACP has taken this mindset, pointed to old-fashion Soviet posters of big burly factory workers hammering steel, and essentially combined the two into the abomination that is "baristas aren't proletariat". That's all MAGA communism really is: rehashed classist conservative arguments with a crimson veneer.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There is no point in engaging with these kinds of distractions. Because that's what they are. "MAGA communism" is a joke, it is not a serious concept and never has been. These people who argue with you trying to defend this nonsense are either wreckers deliberately trying to create an artificial conflict and get communists to waste their time, or are so stupid they are not worth taking seriously. If they are misguided comrades they will grow up at some point. If they are feds in disguise giving them attention is the opposite of what you should do. Stick to positive messaging and putting forth the actual communist viewpoint.

Don’t argue with them, but continue to point out their fascism always.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Can you not just ban people in tiktok streams? Saying "baristas aren't proletariat" is more than stupid (or bad-faith) enough to warrant it.

[–] SpaceDogs@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can ban people but I think our comrade was too busy talking to and debating other chatters to pay attention to this person. He never actually acknowledged this MAGA guy in the first place.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago

Sorry, for some reason I completely misread your post and thought that you were the one streaming. My bad!

[–] ArmWorldbuilding@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

When redMAGAs are so dumb that it physically hurts

[–] SpaceDogs@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago

It was actually so infuriating, I am somewhat glad that the comrade who was streaming probably didn’t notice. A lot of terrible people were in that chat and they were lucky that TikTok has a character limit because I would’ve gone a lot harder.

[–] redchert@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Most Working class people in America arent trumpers. They dont vote at all.

Median Income

[–] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago

The Nazis shot the Strasserites.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago

I do wish Stalin would've dyed his hair neon red, though, to be honest.

Imagine what a fucking badass flex that would've been at the time.

MAGA communism is just Strausser with a less coherent world-view, and that’s saying a lot. They can’t even decide how they feel about taxation

[–] MasterBlaster@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's a wonder how understanding class politics doesn't just 'make' more advanced ideas click into place. Do we have to at least give it to him for considering the proletariat?

[–] SpaceDogs@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It was weird because he does consider the proletariat but only when they fit a certain aesthetic. Queer folks and/or those that do not fit into the stereotype of the typical American blue collar worker are suddenly not part of the revolutionary class. It is just disheartening to hear as a queer communist (no blue hair but I used to dye it pink!).

[–] MasterBlaster@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago

I think this is the most noticeable difference between someone who has read theory, and someone who has had it regurgitated to them via a podcast. You end up with critical thinking skills you can apply to your real life if you read it. Otherwise, you just forcibly apply hundreds-year-old theory to a world you clearly don't actually live in.

That's my needless speculation for the day. Thanks for sharing OP