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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 80 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Italians: we are the masters of tomatoes

Swiss: we invented chocolate

My Aztec ass:

[–] BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 39 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Potatoes, tomatoes, cocoa, coffee, pasta, peppers, tea, nearly every form of cooking spice; all this shit that Europeans and North Americans claim as culinary cultural heritage are actually ideas that were taken/repurposed from another country/culture/region.

But that's okay, just dont be a racist bigot about it, is all.

[–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 2 weeks ago

Peppers, tomatoes, and potatoes have basically spread everywhere at this point. Most Asian and African cultures have readily incorporated those into their own food traditions to where it's hard to imagine how those cuisines were like before crop exchange with the New World.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Sugar!

Before Europeans discovered the sugarcane they only had the natural sweetness of things to make sweet food, the sweetest of which is sugar beet, whose sugar is lot harder to purify than that of sugar cane.

How sweet can cake be without some reasonably pure form of sugar you can add. Did the concept of cake even exist in Europe before that?

Edit: nevermind - I forgot the sweetness of fruit (oops).

[–] Opisek@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, I really missed pretty much the entire domain of sweet things.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Most sugar is made from beets nowadays in Europe.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Most sugar consumed in Europe is from sugarcane.

Most sugar produced in Europe is from sugarbeets, but that production is still less than the imported sugar from sugarcane (because sugarcane is just vastly more productive).

They didn't extract sugar from sugar beet back in the 14th century. In fact only in 1747 was it discovered that beets had sucrose and sugar beets themselves were only created after that, via selective breeding, so I don't think they had sugar as we know it back then. However as somebody else pointed out, they had honey which has a very high concentration of sugar.

I suspected sugar wasn't extracted from sugar beet in the Middle Ages or earlier but I wasn't sure and prompted by your question I went searching for it and indeed that is the case since sugar beets didn't even exist back then.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So Europeans ate nothing got it.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

Garlic, pickles, and liquor are old world

[–] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Europeans aren't native to Europe either.

[–] Mandrilleren@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

You could argue that there are no native people or orginal cultures besides the once in east Africa. Everything else evolved form there.

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

In Illinois, it's pronounced "mm,corn" and used in a gruff but familiar manner in lieu of say, discussing the weather rhetorically. Instead of, out of the blue, "mm,brisk", or "mm,hmm", "mm,rainsdue"; this would suffice to imply "I'm new in town and have learned your ways, but let's not get too friendly". 🤌🏼

[–] ook@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] urandom@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

From Spanish traders

[–] EldenLord@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Judging from how he orally abuses them I‘d say Epstein‘s island

[–] don@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago
[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

there was a great skit from a Korean pizza company trying to say how Koreans invented pizza and marco polo was just a jagoff

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

Pizza seems to have just been independently invented by everyone. And I mean... It's just "things on bread" so that's pretty understandable.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Tomatoes are god's perfect food, and I'll die on that hill. They add both sugar and acid, what else ya want?

Note: This only applies to good tomatoes. Don't know about elsewhere, but in America we GMOed ours to be nice and round, evenly colored, no blemishes. Improving those traits removed the acid and sugar. That's why many only know of tomatoes as pink mush.

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They add both sugar and acid, what else ya want?

MSG? Oh wait...

[–] remon@ani.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

Not sure what you're waiting for ... you do want that on tomatos!

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

In Spain you can still easily find many different varieties, like bull's testicles tomatoes:

No idea why it's called like that but it's really tasty.

[–] EldenLord@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

In german these are called „Ochsenherztomaten“ (Oxheart tomatoes) or „Fleischtomaten“ (Beef tomatoes).

And yes they are very tasty!

[–] dukatos@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It is called "volovo srce" (oxheart) in Serbia.

[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Italian is my least-removed European ancestry. Aside from the flavor being complete ass to me, tomatoes are also dog shit for my heartburn.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

You got the tomatoes with acid in them! :)

My best friend had the same issue. He got some sort of shot that resolved it temporarily. I think he can eat them with impunity now?

[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago
[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yep, gave Italians tomatoes and kept potatoes to themselves. So clever!

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I mean, yeah. Would be pretty stupid to give them ALL of the potatoes so they'd be unable to make gazpacho or carne con tomate..