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[–] teslasaur@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Visa just reported a quarter above expectations. Not sure if the protests are affecting anything other than the wage slaves forced to deal with their calls and emails.

[–] Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Even if it is just the wage slaves for now, it won't be for long.

The employees get a lot more work, that's for sure.

However, by some stroke of good luck they haven't been reolaced by AI... For now at least. Which means they do something Visa/Mastercard want/need.

That something just so happens to be replying to real questions. These protest calls take up their time (which is the point).

The damage also encompasses those unfortunate to actually need the call center now, of all times.

And if Visa/Mastercard can't react to real incidents properly, some might go to a competitor or they might be on the hook for contract breaches.

Overwhelming the call center doesn't just affect the call center personell. It affects one cog in the machine (the call center), throwing the entire machine off-balance.

Specifically, lower call throughput limits their ability to react to incidents, which is a critical day-to-day operation with potentially disastrous consequences. Middle management of the call center and a few execs are surely panicking as we speak.

[+] Lucky_777@lemmy.world -10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Bring on the downvotes, but this is where crypto shines. No bullshit rug pulls by ancient payment processors.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 9 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I'd use cryptocurrency but literally no one accepts it. Mostly because it takes 14 billion years to and a small rainforest worth of burnt trees process a transaction.

[–] EightBitBlood@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Hey. Just FYI. That's all outdated now. Ethereum forked to use 99.9% less energy. (To a sustainable point). Several other coins have followed including Cardano. And transaction times on both are within minutes, sometimes seconds. (Whereas my bank takes days). Though admittedly sometimes it takes an hour or two for a transaction to complete if there's a lot of traffic.

I buy a lot of stuff (not drugs! Wow!) through crypto - and payment processors aren't even needed. You can literally get a chrome extension to access your crypto wallet to pay for things directly. Which is why crypto is such a threat to payment processors and fiat currency. Because crypto is the same as basically opening your wallet for cash, throwing that cash at the screen, and that works to buy whatever's on it. Visa and Mastercard can get fucked.

Bitcoins original white paper was very specific: the point of crypto is to take the power away from the assholes like Visa and Mastercard. But also from Banks and the Fed. No one person or entity should control these things. So Bitcoin decentralized them.

And now, 15 years later, it works pretty fucking well. That's why the price has increased 1000%+ in that time.

(EDIT: To be clear, saying someone doesn't accept Bitcoin is like saying someone doesn't accept gold. You're using the wrong digital currency. There's plenty of others that don't need payment processors for transactions.)

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Transaction speeds are faster than credit cards and debt cards now. Not every coin is like that (bitcoin for example still takes forever, while Digibyte is less than 1 min).

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 6 days ago

Oh a hold 60 seconds, well I guess my comment is completely redundant then because who could possibly process a transaction in less than a minute.

[–] AsyncTheYeen@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Cryptocurrency will only be useful when we surpass capitalism

[–] EightBitBlood@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's like saying violent revolution will only be useful once we surpass Fascism.

The wide adaptation of crypto would likely deal a killing blow to capitalism as all the bullshit fees and exploitation expected from transactions completely disappear - along with their revenue streams to capitalist overlords at Visa / Mastercard / Amazon / Google / Taxes for the Fed, etc.

Like, you can already start defunding the bullshit happening right now by just paying for stuff with Crypto.

[–] AsyncTheYeen@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That is not how material reality works, you can't expect wide adoption of crypto while the state is controlled by the owners of the means of production, since that's not profitable, despite crypto being very good to laundry money.

The people that own the means of production own the state, they force everybody else to use their currency, thought the use of monopoly of violence

Imperialism is the current stage of capitalism where a country through the use of violence forces every other country to trade using their currency

[–] EightBitBlood@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

In material reality, the state is in no way stopping me from using crypto right this second. I can use it freely. And break no laws.

Why use their means of oppression if another tool exists, and can be used readily?

In fact, also in reality, Trump is accidentally bulldozing legislature meant to protect capitalism because he's too stupid to know better. Specifically:

Trump has ordered his administration to supercharge the U.S. cryptocurrency industry, rolling back some regulatory enforcement and championing legislation that would broaden its accessibility and appeal.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/white-house-unveils-crypto-policy-roadmap-meant-usher/story?id=124215664

That's reality.

[–] AsyncTheYeen@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

As a business owner, depending on the country you live in, you cannot accept cryptocurrency as payment, you need to have your country currency so you can pay your taxes, you can't change a country currency to cryptocurrency by individual action, because that is a coletivo problem

Trump and Milei are scammers they love some pump and dump, they do anything to get richier

[–] EightBitBlood@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

As a business owner in any country, I can accept crypto as payment. Because modern crypto doesn't need a payment processor. You can do transactions directly from your wallet and avoid needing to involve the state, banks, or anyone but you and your customer. You can even build websites on the blockchain connected directly to your wallet. Or tokenize physical goods to sell there without needing anything but the internet.

It's up to you to report your sales on the blockchain for taxes. It's not at all, in anyway, monitored by any government as that's what the distributed ledger tech was designed to avoid.

If you want a new world. Waiting isn't going to make it happen. You can use crypto right the fuck now to take money away from the system it's trapped in. You just want to pretend it isn't accessible because of government control, when escaping that control is the very reason crypto was created to exist.

Trump is certainly a scammer. But he is also, unquestionably, an idiot. And that works in both directions. Against us. But also against his capitalist backers.

He is unquestionably deregulating laws on crypto everyday, to his own benefit - but that also just makes using crypto and hurting capitalism easier.

[–] AsyncTheYeen@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You did not read the constitution of every country in the world to assert that

Individual action does not solve coletive problema, you should organize yourself with your fellow workers at a union and do as many strikes as you can to fight against the owners of the means to your work, this was historically proven to solve many class conflicts, join the communist party of your country that is the only way, fight for your interests, and don't think you can use the bourgeoisie vote system to change things for better, they try in Chile and the US bomb'd their President

[–] EightBitBlood@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

You did not read the constitution of every country in the world to assert that.

No I didn't. I just actually used the technology, unlike you.

If the country has internet, they can use crypto. It's no different than using Facebook, Twitter, etc.

No country has the technology to prevent its use. They can barely check people's ages online.

I'm not against forming unions, I'm incredibly FOR removing the source of all of capitalisms power: centralized banks and fiat currency.

If you want to defeat capitalism - The fastest way is to starve them of the source of their power. The whole system works off fiat currency so governments and banks can just print more money when they need. Which, when they do, lowers the value of all the money and things everyone else owns, just so they can cut taxes for Billionaires.

You can spend a generation forming unions for a better piece of the capitalist pie. Just hoping eventually the infinite wealth of Bezos and Musk will run out.

Or we can just use crypto and literally remove the power they have over money itself. That collective action would literally make capitalism irrelevant.

If you want to talk about overthrowing regimes, you should not be so concerned about each countries crypto currency laws.

It's incredibly laughable to me, that you want to fight capitalism through the most painful methods possible. But using crypto is just too scary / you feel it's illegal everywhere?

It's sad that the constant disinfo campaign against it has literelly infected the people that could benefit most from it's use.

Because you can easily starve capitalism to death by removing the mechanisms that make it function: fiat currency and centralized banks. Crypto easily replaces both. And can be used for free right now.

The only reason people aren't is because they're too scared to use it like you.

[–] AsyncTheYeen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Capitalism cornerstone is the right to own the means of production given by the state

I'm not scared by technology, I use it! But you're ignoring material reality if you think you can convince people to use crypt as their currency out of the blue

If you read Marx and Lenin you'd see that there's a methodology behind all science based socialist experiences we had in the world, and all of them were based on the same principles

The worker class needs to organize itself to be able to take control of the state

[–] EightBitBlood@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Capitalism cornerstone is the right to own the means of production given by the state.

Agreed. And generally speaking, that's done through fiat currency. The machines of production? Valued in Dollars. Their property and building? Dollars.

So Dollars, and the value of capital they store, are indeed the cornerstone of Capitalism.

Cytpo is a replacement for that cornerstone. And it can very much replace capitalism with it.

I use it! But you're ignoring material reality if you think you can convince people to use crypt as their currency out of the blue.

People already ARE using it. Millions of them. That's why I know it works. I'm not convincing you it could work if everyone uses it. I'm saying it works right now, and the sooner more people use it, the sooner capitalism will go away.

Whatever tech you do use, it isn't crypto, or you would know this.

If you read Marx and Lenin...

I have. So I know that "proof of work" in Cryptocurrency is Based on Marx's Labor Theory of Value.

Namely, proof of work makes each unit of the currency arbitrarily difficult to obtain, immune to forgery, and as an ancillary benefit, resistant to censorship. Marx says the work expended to mine the coins is what gives them their value, since there is no other way to create them and it requires human effort and energy.

Almost like the original white paper for bitcoin was written by a Marxist using his theories to create a new technological replacement for currency that didn't favor capitalists.

So maybe you should read that white paper.

The worker class needs to organize itself to be able to take control of the state.

If the worker class organized to get paid in Crypto instead of dollars, the state would lose its power within months. As people use crypto, fiat becomes useless, and the systems that are built on the corruption of that fiat lose power.

That's why no one takes French Francs anymore. The Euro replaced it, as it had more utility. Crypto could do the same with fiat, leaving everyone with francs sad and powerless as they don't have crypto. That would be the state, bourgeoisie, and capitalists.

Marx wants us to fight the war on capitalism on the front lines. I'm not against that. Just pointing out that the very fuel of capitalism "capital" (as valued by fiat currency) can just be replaced with crypto which will stop the capitalism engine faster than anything.

Capitalism works because capital is manipulated and controlled by capitalists through fiat currency. Without fiat, there's no controlled capital. Without that control, there's no capitalism.

[–] AsyncTheYeen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Your whole argument is based on a false premise, the state has the monopoly of violence, it enforces the law that gives the right to own the means of production aka the source of capital, aka the means to extract surplus value from workers, to increase its own capital

The generation of cryptocurrency is anything but work, it does not require anyone to do anything, just waste natural resources, and most of the people in to world can not use cryptocurrency to buy food for example, no supermarker or food chain will accept cryptocurrency, it does not matter if works try to use it, business owners need to adopt it, and it will not happen

This is probably my last response cuz your text seems written by a bot or a troll or maybe both

[–] EightBitBlood@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Im sorry you don't encounter people with actual crypto knowledge enough to know what that looks like when they talk to you.

Your whole argument is based on a false premise, the state has the monopoly of violence, it enforces the law that gives the right to own the means of production aka the source of capital...

My dude. I have already pointed out how this description isn't the case anymore because of crypto, and that is why it can destabilize the capitalist system. I can't make you read about Blockchain enough to understand that - that's up to you.

The means of production as owned by the state is WORTHLESS if the state is using fiat while buyers / workers / a bigger economy is entirely crypto driven.

Crypto weakens the states hold over the means of production by devaluing it through a better technological substitute of those means.

Because the concept of a state is outdated. So is it's centralized control of capital, currency, and all the means of production that come with it.

So if those means of production are decentralized from the state - aka block chain - then the state can literally lose the ability to enforce the laws that give them any kind of centralized authority.

In short, no cop is going to protect a capitalist holding dollars, if their paycheck and environment is in crypto. They might actually have the time to think about protecting the people who are all mining crypto, rather than a single old capitalist who is no longer paying them anything close to the same value.

Imagine a miner whose work literally generates capital they can trade. They own the means of production: mining crypto. And the results: crypto currency.

Ethereum even now has smart contracts that have absolutely authority. No state can alter them without altering the block chain itself. They self execute based on rules that cannot be manipulated or corrupted as they can be in a capitalist system.

That's why capitalists invented centralized fiat currency: to control it, and always manipulate deals involving it to their favor.

So a Marxist data scientist invented block chain tech to literally be uncontrollable by a central authority, yet still function as a valuable currency in a digital world.

They did this by making Crypto both a currency AND commodity. So it is a new asset that is both, not one or the other. (WHITEPAPER! Seriously, you should read it if you're a fan of Marx)

As such, holding crypto puts the power of commodities, the literal power of capital, into the hands of those manufacturing it: those with crypto wallets, or those who mine it. Literally the point of Marxism.

Crypto also no longer takes the enegery requirements you think. In 2023 Ethereum updated to a new fork that uses 99.9% less energy than it previously did. An ATM transaction now takes more energy than a crypto one.

Literally, read the white paper. The "problems" you are pointing out are already solved.

The issue is wider adoption of crypto in the face of all the MASSIVE disinformation you've heard about it. Almost like the same massive disinformation that capitalists put out when THEY ARE THREATENED.

Don't tell me you're going to believe what capitalist articles tell you about Crypto, but nothing else? There's a reason it's hated. And that's because it poses an actual threat to capitalism.

People who know that sound like me.

[–] EightBitBlood@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You are 100% correct. The sooner people adopt crypto, the sooner Visa and Mastercard are pointless. To be clear: MODERN CRYPTO DOES NOT REQUIRE PAYMENT PROCESSORS - YOU CAN MAKE PAYMENTS DIRECTLY FROM YOUR WALLET. (And not just for drugs).

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yep, making banks completely useless. People are just tied to banks because they dont want to research or actually think about a new system of payments.

[–] EightBitBlood@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Couldn't agree more! 🙂

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 126 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Lol, I'd like to see Visa and MC buildings overrun by groups of multicoloured cartoony animals.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 68 points 1 week ago

Furries have hated the whole "legal adult business made difficult or randomly disrupted because the payment processor companies decided they dont like you" thing for quite some time now. Ive seen multiple artists I follow in that space make multiple switches of platforms because of it and plenty more complain about them. Tho its usually been paypal that gets complained about there from what Ive seen.

[–] GlitchyDigiBun@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We sic the furries on them...

[–] pressedhams@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 week ago

And stand with them!

[–] knightly@pawb.social 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Knowing the furries, we probably have agents in every one of those corporate data centers already. XD

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 6 days ago

If they really wanted to cause damage they could just instruct their agents not to turn up since they absolutely are senior IT staff.

The whole thing would probably fall apart within about 2 hours.

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Furries are also a part of the phoning campaign, I've seen it all over my bsky timeline. We're (the sane ones, not the 18 year old puritans) all pretty upset over it because it's pretty obvious this is yet another attempt to erase queerness online with the veneer of "protect kids" or whatever the fuck they're saying now.

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[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 88 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Calling Visa today for mine! I don't play those games, but I hate the precedent. It is not a payment processor's job to dictate what can and can't be done. (Now, I have worked FinTech for many years, there is a legit risk they are taking that the feds would blame them however -) it should be on the company selling the product itself, and any decent legal team at a payment processor would be able to handle it like a normal Tuesday.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

They don't really have this excuse though because the products that they are banning are legal in the jurisdictions in which they're banning them.

They've been really coy about this, they're really trying to push the idea that adult content is illegal and therefore it's totally nothing to do with them. It's the standard right-wing tactic of just blatantly lying in the vague hope that somehow it'll become true.

Is what these scumbags always do when they didn't really think it through and are now being called out on it.

[–] currycourier@lemmy.world 61 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So in other words, gamers are rising up?

[–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 week ago

they are naruto walking, converging on mastercard HQ

[–] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I feel like it took much less for them to make the decision to take it away than it is to just restore it...

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago

Back tracking is FAR harder, ego wise.

Part of the goal isn't to reverse it, but to slow further slips down the slope. They will remember the hassle it caused this time, and decide that it's not worth trying for an easy life from the religious nutjobs, if the gamers will kick up more of a stink.

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[–] Seigest@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 week ago (17 children)

I feel this situation is only going to get worse for everyone. We as consumers, gamers or otherwise, don't really have alternatives to this monopoly. At least that I am aware of. Typically if a company acts up we can just boycott it. But what other options do we even have here?

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[–] JustTheWind@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As a joking/ not so joking reference to the title. I unironically hope that this new wave of censorship attracts the ire of the Furry community. I can just see thousands and thousands of IT workers spending their spare time and money on fighting this shit instead of spending it on their hobby. I can see the potentially unlimited power.

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