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[–] CsXGF8uzUAOh6fqV@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago (6 children)

This is so IRL. It was the last drop in the bucket when using systemd, when it started to let me wait out a countdown every time I shut it down. I would just flip the power supply switch. Then I switched from Arch to Artix.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It’s fun to watch that countdown with a non-removable laptop battery that is about to die. Problem solved it’s self I guess. Edit: Alpine Linux now.

[–] jaschop@awful.systems 18 points 1 month ago

I was pretty sure systemd doesn't have to be configured like that. Anyway, on my company managed Linux systemd tries to access some network service on startup and shutdown. Unless I'm plugged into on site LAN, I get to wait a full network timeout (presumably with retries) every time.

At least it's not Windows.

[–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

probably just because it's doing the correct thing and waiting for the applications in your session to close?

[–] CsXGF8uzUAOh6fqV@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

In principle, but it did never hurt anything when I just straight up cut the power so I got the feeling that I was waiting for nothing. It wasn't like the disk wasn't flushed yet or anything. Maybe it is good to be extra careful when restarting a server or something similar, but for desktop usage I prefer if the init system just kills everything after a few seconds so I can go with my day. Neither is right or wrong just whatever you prefer. I like a cutthroat style in general and I accept the minor risks that come with it.

[–] rdri@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's not a good practice to allow immediate shutdown on a PC, as long as the OS doesn't do checks for finished data transfers. You will lose data if SSD is not finished writing it. Yes, even with super fast SSD there might be stuff that takes seconds to complete.

[–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

yeah makes sense ig, i very frequently long hold the power button when i have to deal with w*ndows

[–] match@pawb.social 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

the system is going down for shutdown NOW!

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago

Whether the system likes it or not

[–] psud@aussie.zone 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The command is shutdown -h now

[–] deltapi@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Personally I prefer poweroff

[–] izder456@ieji.de 7 points 1 month ago

@CsXGF8uzUAOh6fqV @NoFood4u fuck systems with timers on shutdown
I want it to respect my acpi events
I meant it when I pushed the button

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Please notice: some exceptions do apply. For example bpap cpap and respirators

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 13 points 1 month ago

No, there are no exceptions. If the power button is pressed, it should shut down and cease drawing power immediately. If it's so critical that it can't be shut down safely, don't include a power button, and add a battery for backup purposes.

[–] potatoguy@potato-guy.space 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My old btrfs system auto defragging while shutting down (and taking too long): I guess I'm going to die

[–] ewo@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Btrfs ate my data a few times a long time ago.

ZFS: Not even once

[–] lime@feddit.nu 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

is that a bumpmap or cosmic background?

[–] NoFood4u@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 month ago

The background is made from a plain purple color with added HSV noise. Then an effect is added on top of everything by copying the entire image into a new layer and applying a convolution with a kernel like this:

-1  0  0  0  0
 0 -1  0  0  0
 0  0  1  0  0
 0  0  0  1  0
 0  0  0  0  1

In GIMP those are under "filters > noise > HSV noise" and "filters > generic > convolution"

[–] cathfish@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

In some cases please use a hammer to terminate the process correctly.

[–] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is me telling the waffle iron it brought death upon itself by not having a true off switch as I pull the plug from the wall.

[–] NoFood4u@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Haha, kitchen appliences that don't have a poweroff button are actually what inspired me to draw this. It was a coffee machine in my case.

[–] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

At least the kitchenaid has a lever to yank to a stop. But that waffle iron! Oh he annoys me! But at least he's not connected to the wifi so he can't defy orders...yet.

[–] lessthanluigi@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My fridge does not have an off button, does that count?

[–] NoFood4u@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 month ago

A fridge is never just sitting idle, what reason is there to ever turn one off instead of unplugging?

[–] moseschrute@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What about batteries (capacitors?)

[–] Trail@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Arguably that's not a "machine".

[–] glowing_hans@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

shutdown --poweroff now learned this today from man shutdown