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[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 65 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Over 80 chemicals!

What bullshit scaremongering is this? There's like 80 chemicals in a banana. Some of them are even radioactive!

[–] bathing_in_bismuth@sh.itjust.works -3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The fuck did you smoke, did you even read?

We identified common plastics chemicals, including UV-stabilizers and plasticizers, as well as chemicals that are not used as plastics additives, including pesticides, pharmaceuticals and biocides.

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 8 points 7 hours ago

Water is a chemical. The point was using an arbitrary number and an arbitrary descriptor means absolutely fuck all.

[–] TauZero@mander.xyz 23 points 1 day ago

There are even over 100,000 distinct chemicals in a banana. Probably over 1M. Horrified whenever I see somebody eat one. Only plastic food pellets for me please.

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

That's almost fair. The difference is: a banana is a living organism, and very few synthetic materials are supposed to have 80 differently-identifiable chemicals in them. This melange of death here is shit like dioxins, plasticizers, decomposition products, dyes and other additives, as well as the reaction products of all of THAT shit mixing at high temp in the melted plastic. If you aren't afraid, then I don't know how to help you, child.

Brushing this off with some trite banana comparison is just making a Robert Kehoe out of yourself.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

a banana is a living organism

So what? So is poison ivy. I wouldn't recommend eating it.

very few synthetic materials are supposed to have 80 differently-identifiable chemicals in them

I'm sorry but - what the fuck are you talking about? Who is deciding how many different chemicals should be in any given material? What sort of of ridiculousness is this?

This melange of death here is shit like dioxins, plasticizers, decomposition products, dyes and other additives, as well as the reaction products of all of THAT shit mixing at high temp in the melted plastic.

Which is my point - the NUMBER of items in a given material is just scare-mongering BS. The actual ingredients is what matters.

If you aren’t afraid, then I don’t know how to help you, child.

If you don't understand that the count of the number of chemicals in a thing doesn't relate to that thing's toxicity then I can't help you either kid.

[–] asmoranomar@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

It's all good man, those chemicals are also present in living organisms too, I guess... /s

[–] notastatist@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I dont know why you got downvoted, you are very right!

"We identified common plastics chemicals, including UV-stabilizers and plasticizers, as well as chemicals that are not used as plastics additives, including pesticides, pharmaceuticals and biocides. These may have contaminated the plastics during their first use phase, prior to becoming waste and being recycled."

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Just people deciding that divorcing a statement from its context (plastics manufacturing) is sufficient to say that no alarm need be raised. As I said: Robert Kehoe.

[–] notastatist@feddit.org 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I dont understand that, what do you mean?

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Ah, essentially, the person said "this claim of 80 chemicals is meaningless, and can only be a scaremongering tactic!"

  1. in order for it to be scaremongering, there must be a concerted effort to effect a sense of terror in the reader, and that sense of terror must be unwarranted. There is certainly an effort to terrify, but that is because the story is, objectively, terrifying.
  2. they claim that bananas have more than 80 chemicals, and that the idea of counting distinct chemicals is a bad way to represent danger. As they point out, in biological systems, they would be correct, because biological systems have thousands of unique chemicals within them as a matter of course. However, they are trying to equate that banana to this issue, which is NOT a biological system, but an issue of plastic synthesis. In plastics manufacturing, there is no conceivable reason for you to need more than, to be generous, ten individual chemical constituents to form your polymer product. These might be the original polymer, very small amounts of the unbound monomer, a plasticizer or two, a couple dye compounds, and a couple other things which add properties you want, such as UV resistance, hydrophilia/phobia, or physical/chemical resistance. So, by divorcing this number from its context (plastics manufacturing), this person is trying to make it seem like a ridiculous headline, when in fact there is no conceivable reason to need even a quarter of the various impurities present in these bits of plastic. To give a much closer analogy than a fucking banana, imagine if I gave you a chunk of "steel", and told you that it's good, because it's "recycled", so I made some forks and knives out of it and gave it to you to eat with, but then you found out that it is actually an alloy of iron with a mixture of every other metal, including unsafe amounts of cadmium, mercury and lead. Even if you don't know what metals exactly are in it, it would be concerning if I just said "hey, this steel in your fork contains 50 different metals!", right? That's because that statement alone tells you that something very fishy was going on with the "recycling" process, because the only conceivable reason for there to be 50 different metals in detectable amounts in your steel (which, I remind you, you are eating off of) is if they just melted a bunch of shit together and called it "close enough".
  3. I likened this person's attitude to Robert Kehoe, who was famously bribed by the leaded gas industry to lie to the world about the natural amount of lead in the environment. By claiming that the "normal" amount of lead was the same as the "natural" amount of lead, he cast scientific doubt over the question of leaded gas for many years. It wasn't until Clair Patterson proved that the amount of lead in the atmosphere, water and soil had gone up by tens of thousands of times since the pre-industrial steady-state levels that people finally saw Kehoe for what he was: a corrupt hack.
[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 32 points 1 day ago

A new study with researchers from University of Gothenburg and Leipzig shows that recycled polyethylene plastic can leach chemicals into water causing impacts in the hormone systems and lipid metabolism of zebrafish larvae.

"Recycled plastic can leach chemicals into water" would have been a better headline. "Recycled plastic can leach X% more chemicals into water than 'virgin' plastic" would be even better.

Still, I better not house my zebrafish in a recycled polyethylene aquarium, I guess.

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 40 points 2 days ago (3 children)

What’s the point of specifying ‘in a single pellet’? All pellets of a batch are the same. You don’t get 160 chemicals in two pellets.

[–] Bubs@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

It's to highlight how common and widespread the contamination is.

You could say "We found 80 chemicals across a dozen facilities", but showing how all 80 chemicals were in a single pellet highlights how widespread the contamination is.

[–] Tim_Bisley@piefed.social 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Is it normal to find 80 chemicals in say a plastic bottle of water? I have no frame of reference.

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

As a chemist, but without organics specialization (my specialty is rocks), I think that what we're seeing here is a collection of three main things, aside from polyethylene:

  1. decomposition byproducts: plastics break down under heat, stress and in light. It's not surprising that some of their breakdown byproducts might be found in plastic that has been melted into a new shape.
  2. dyes: plastic is dyed with different additives, and there are a LOT of different colors of plastic being recycled. They usually try to keep the colors generally consistent among batches for recycling, but the dyes that make a sprite bottle green are different from the ones that make a dasani bottle teal.
  3. Plasticizers and other additives: the things the corporations add to their plastics just to eke out that 1 cent of savings from thinner, more durable plastic, or to get the texture just right, are insane. These are things like BPA. There are loads of them, and every plastic has different types. Some of them also have different heat tolerances, but it's not like the recyclers are keeping track.

So, yeah, be afraid. There's a metric fuckton of shit in there, and literally no one knows what it all is, let alone how much of it made it through the manufacturing, use, recycling and manufacturing process without becoming prone to leaching. Virtually all plastic recycling is a scam perpetrated by the corporations to get us to blithely ignore how they are destroying the planet to save money, all while convincing us to blame ourselves.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Been a while since I was in a lab (I was mainly concerned with squishy, squidgy things like microbes, so not quite OChem either) but, this looks accurate to me with a minor bit of pedantry that I had to validate before mentioning. BPA is not actually a plasticizer but a monomer/co-monomer (it does frequently get incorrectly labeled as a plasticizer in retail products). Notably in polycarbonate, which is something like 90% BPA by mass.

A big issue with is the incomplete reaction of monomers, leading to things like room-temp leeching of unreacted BPA in polycarbonate (so glad that I took a Nalgene with me everywhere for years when I was younger /s).

Thanks! Edited to account for "and other additives"

[–] logi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You misspelled "a minor bit of pedantry". Sorry. It had to be done.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago

Thanks for that. No apology necessary - that was rather hilarious.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All those chemicals are slightly different length hydrocarbon chains. Functionally, they are nearly identical.

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Sucrose and cellulose are different-length chains of sugars, but that doesn't mean they're the same. Also, all of the additives in the many different types of melted-together plastic would beg to differ with your assessment.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There isn't a biologically significant difference between clothing made from various grades of nylon, polyester, polypropylene, spandex, Lycra, acrylonitrile, etc. You probably wear clothing made from each of these families or similar, related materials, each comprised of dozens of "chemicals".

But you'll turn up your nose at the thought of several of these materials combined into a single pellet?

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

After it's been exposed to use and light for who knows how long, and after being melted together at high temperatures, inevitably higher than the decomposition temperatures of at least a few of the dyes and additives in there, because precisely zero effort has been put in to purify it before being slagged? Yes I will turn my nose up, and you should too. No self-respecting chemist sniffs chemical cocktails of unknown provenance.

ETA: Also, your clothing note is a completely false equivalence, because the chemical at issue here is polyethylene, which has a far greater range and prevalence of additives than those polymers you named for use in clothing.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago

Maybe there's only 80 chemicals in a pellet, as in, 80 very long molecules.

[–] ordinarylove@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

if one were to stop and think reasonably for a moment about what "recycled plastic" is, the term more or less literally means "a toxic cocktail of petrochemicals"

if the problem is toxic petro-chemicals maybe the solution is the complete dismantling of the fossil fuel industry by any means

I like the way you think.