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They don't need a vaccine to depopulate when heart disease(695k/y), car accidents(40k/y), overdoses(82k/y), abortion(1m/y), and suicide(49k/y) kill far more people than the vaccine could possibly be linked to the COVID vaccines(8k in total).
Don't at me for including abortion, I support abortion access and want it to be a free service, but we are talking about depopulation means and abortion is a means to depopulate.
A pregnancy is not a person to count. That's anti-abortion rhetoric.
The question is: does it make sense for the government to ban abortions, just to kill ppl with vaccines on the other hand?
Are people still talking about Covid vaccines? Aren’t there new conspiracies to move onto. How about Biden being a robot?
Just ask them to pass the potato salad.
People who believe in these types of theories usually want to feel part of a club or may just be gullible. Pulling up charts and figures likely will not help as they often dismiss it or change the theory. Listening to them and asking them why they feel that way and where they got the information can cause them to critically think about it and start to form the cracks in the theory. If you think you're getting somewhere, maybe ask why vaccines and not another, more accessible form of medicine.
In this case, it sounds like the family doctor may be the source. Clarify exactly what this doctor said and what they would prescribe instead of a vaccine. It may be something homeopathic or a scam, or something else indicating the doctor is spreading a vaccine lie for their own gain.
If you're getting nowhere, consider if this family member has a history of mental illness. Some disorders make people prone to skepticism and a general mistrust of the world, or cause magical thinking. Schizophrenia, bipolar (manic episodes), and OCD can sometimes be hard to spot.
Unfortunately, it could also be something ego-centered, and being "in" on a theory forms a core part of their identity, separating them from the "sheep". They could be unempathetic to the idea of their actions spreading disease, or annoyed at the idea they have to take action to protect themselves. Based on the number of emotional responses in this thread and the general advice to block them or call them names, this is, sadly, a very likely cause. In this case, the best thing you can do is protect yourself by getting the vaccine that they won't and limit physical contact. It's a very sad reality that this line of selfish thinking has become extremely prevalent since COVID. I also had a vaccine skeptic family member who only gave it up once they caught COVID. They were lucky; take a look at r/DarwinAward to see the damage vaccine denialism causes.
Stay safe OP. I hope there is light for your family member.
IIRC there was a study where people with strong opinions talked to an Al and the process changed their minds.
Edit:
Durably reducing conspiracy beliefs through dialogues with AI https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adq1814
This is an easy one:
Ask them to point to the depopulation occurring.
On the graph the fuzzy dot is on June 2021 which was around the time that vaccines were in full availability. According to their logic we should see a decline occurring from the "depopulation" occurring from COVID vaccines. Where is that decline?
The growth rate is a better chart for that, because you can see the population growth drastically diminishing (because more deaths = less grow) until vaccines where made available and then it immediately goes back to normal. If someone wanted to depopulate all they had to do was prevent the vaccines from reaching people or have people not take the vaccine.
That's a cool suggestions. Where can one find something like that I wonder 🤔
If you click the source for the graph above and scroll down you'll have it there.
Ah, yes thx
Punch them in the fucking face and 300 kick their asses out the door
“I’ll pay for yours if it means you can’t reproduce.”
Get the vaccine. Best response.
in 2025? Vaccines have been available for how many years now? Why does anyone even think about COVID vaccines anymore in this year? We would have figured out any adverse effects by now if there were any.
Their bullshit causes a risk that someone else hesitate or pass on vaccination. You did an attempt at convincing. The responsible alternative is to make them feel uncomfortable bringing up the subject.
Just mock them.
"Yeah, sure. It's all apart of Elvis's plan to return as the antichrist."
You are allowed, and sometimes encouraged, to not say anything.
One of the reasons i don't make policy decisions: my solution yo the antivax problem is to develop a bioweapon and a corresponding vaccine. Secretly add the new vaccine into all other vaccines for two years. Warn people that the coming flu season is going to be bad and that a new dangerous strain of covid is spreading to increase vaccination rates. Then deploy the bioweapon. No more antivaxxers.
Remind them abortion is illegal in many places, that women are to be awarded certificates for having a "litter", and show them the article about the brain dead woman kept on life support for months to deliver a child slightly over one pound that now needs months in the NIC unit to survive.
Not deliver. They autopsied the woman to collect the baby. They had to collect it because the lady's body was decomposing. Because she was dead. Not brain dead. Dead.
Thanks for pointing this out.
It's almost like the woman was just a lab experiment at this point, in an effort to create a baby incubator.
An unnecessary experiment, because scientists already knew what would happen.
Precisely. There has been talk of using brain dead women to breed kids. For fascists that solves so many problems. Men get to be as macho as they want, get to father a bunch of kids with no women demanding rights or respect, no consent required at all. For these guys the best woman is one that barely exists at all.
Point taken.
Oh damn, I didn't know the baby's health was so, so bad. All that extra time of forcing "life" to still create a bad situation.
And the mother's family in beaucoup medical debt, as the cherry on top of this nightmare sundae.
Well I guess we agree that we should respect body autonomy.
But please be cognizant of the social consequences of not having herd immunity to protect the vulnerable and the perfectly reasonable judgement that your actions will result in the death of children, potentially including your own.
Ask them questions. Have them explain how, why. When you find contradictions or confusion, ask how they resolve them.
Yes they are. Those who don't take them help depopulate the planet
Arceus, if it only worked faster...
"It couldn't hurt to get a second opinion, at least, right?"
COVID is being used to depopulate and the vaccine is for those who want to survive
Slap them in the face to bring them back to their senses.
I’m on the ONS site and there’s mountains of publications and data on Covid. Which publication did they read?
"More vaccines for me"
Not even gonna fact check myself I'm just gonna bet excess deaths fell off dramatically when the vaccine became widespread. Literally the opposite of what you'd expect if the vax was killing people.