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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

People assume the Democratic party don't know what they are doing. They know precisely what they are doing by feigning they don't know what they are doing.

The oligarchs really have both parties, and the country in its entirety as a result, by the balls. That is why it is crucial to realise to also protest against oligarchy alongside "No Kings" protest. Trump is only the front and fall guy, it is the oligarchs who are truly in power.

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 16 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Dems watch too much movies where the good guys keep letting the bad guy live.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

Why do you think the rich love making movies with that trope so much. Or the ones where revolutionaries always end up just as bad as the oppressor they overthrew.

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

revolutionaries always end up just as bad as the oppressor they overthrew

To be fair, this happens a lot. Not "always" but too often enough.

Even the American Revolution. So yay, overthrew "British Tyranny". So you're gonna free the slaves, right? Right? "Freedom" remember? (Well y'all know the rest of the history)

Edit: Cherry on top, the UK now has a better healthcare system than the US 🤣

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Yeah. The MCU is probably the biggest offender. Luckily hardly anyone watches that garbage. There is this thing where people call the movies 'woke' but they are not. At least not beyond a surface level anyway (makes it easier to cut out all the gay stuff for violent dictatorships. Plus, most of the heroes belong to a wealthy/noble class while the others are either cops or soldiers.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago

Low isn't required, but not being a giant pussy is, and, by extension, knowing the difference.

[–] andwhy@50501.chat 5 points 4 hours ago

Don’t have to go low to tell the fucking truth and call it as it is. They just need to stop pandering and open their fucking mouths.

[–] opus86@lemmy.today 5 points 5 hours ago

One party acts like it cares about people and the other party doesn't care about even trying, but they both work for the same people.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

its actually a UNIPARTY, a coalition party of both sides. because majority of the time they do vote together on some issues but not others.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 hours ago

The capitalist party if you would

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

I liked where we were heading with "weird". We could've done better, but it was a step... maybe the only step.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 139 points 19 hours ago (16 children)

Dems don't need to go low. They need to stop chasing conservative voters.

The reason they are so timid on everything is because the consultant class has convinced them that if they are just a bit more right wing, they'll win the next election.

If Dems fired the consultants and chased the working class, they'd win big time. People hate the Dems because they are corporate captured.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 70 points 19 hours ago

Dems don’t need to go low.

Yeah, they just need to stop taking the high road. The regular road where people are called out held accountable for being terrible is fine, no need to go low.

[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 22 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Good ol America where your options are corporate captured, or corporate captured but with slurs and hate speech.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 11 points 16 hours ago

We get to choose between Coke and Pepsi, when what we really need is a nice clean glass of water.

[–] Imacat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 14 hours ago

It’s either that or many dems are ok with sitting back and acting helpless while they take their lobbying bribes and invest in the markets they regulate. Why change a system that personally benefits them so much?

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 17 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

They wouldn’t if we voted for progressives in the primaries. The 15% that shows up for congressional primaries are almost exclusively retirees. They always pick the most conservative Democrat. We should be voting twice every two years, not once every four, for national elections alone.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago

I agree. Everyone should be involved and informed on how to maximize the power of their vote wherever they live. Ideally, you get plugged in with someone like the DSA and vote their endorsements.

Sadly too many people fall for spoiler candidates which is part of the reason it's so hard to unseat an incumbent.

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[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 19 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

“We need the conservatives to keep the conservatives in check!”

This country needs political literacy and situational understanding, there aren’t two parties.

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[–] bieren@lemmy.zip 17 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Especially with this guy getting a couple of 2nd degree charges. And Luigi being labeled a terrorist. Shits fucked yo.

[–] sunglocto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago

Luigi is a terrorist.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 15 hours ago

Wait what, seriously? Killing a CEO is terrorism, but two politicians is just "normal" murder? That's absolutely fucked.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 22 points 17 hours ago

"Listen, we're doing fine. We have two clear paths to victory and they involve completely ignoring progressives. I mean yeah, sure, we could win big time with them but that's not happening, we're not letting that happen, stop asking for ice cream we're going to eat rocks and you're going to like it. Our two paths to victory are 1: becoming more conservative to get conservative voters or 2: a giant meteor breaks up in the atmosphere and large chunks hit major Republican strongholds. Those are the two realistic paths we're following. WE'RE GOING TO IGNORE PROGRESSIVES, STOP ASKING!"

[–] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 14 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

As much as i am applied by the behavior and ideas of the Republican GOP.. I am disappointed by the lack of any real effort to stop them from the Democrats

they seem to be afraid of offending them

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 7 points 16 hours ago

Because they're nothing more than controlled opposition.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 32 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Why would they grow a spine? The people funding them are the same as those funding the people who are fine with this happening.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 11 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

From 2003 to 2010 the DNC managed to heavily restrict campaign finance large sum donations, until the 5 conservative SCOTUS judges overturned it in Citizens United.

A DNC core platform stance is to undo Citizens United, but it takes 60 senators to update the constitution and there have not been more than 50 in over a decade.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 14 points 18 hours ago (6 children)

Please they might have that on paper, but I promise you if they had a 60 seat majority, they would find two Democrats to vote with the Republicans to defeat it. Hell you have Republicans in the DNC. That's right many members with D by their names are secretly Republicans. They are plants. Funny thing is the DNC knows it but doesn't expell them or call it out.

So no they don't want to stop taking the money. They just got rid of Hogg and the guy leading the DNC claimed it was because he was hurting his fundraising.

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The democrats don’t mind offending people. Like minorities like Trans or Disabled people. They only walk on eggshells around conservatives for some reason.

[–] CidVicious@sh.itjust.works 13 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Yeah no if the Democrats start peddling the same kind of bullshit that the Republicans do, I'm not voting for them either. That also goes for candidates who are just miserable fucking assholes. I don't want them to win over Republican voters, I want them to inspire the people who are sick of the lack of any real progressive views.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

The Democrats are many many years overdue for a spine. But I still (perhaps naievely) want to believe that it's possible to win without going low.

Maybe I'm just crazy and need my tinfoil hat adjusted, but a race to the bottom still fucks us all over.

Holding people accountable for their actions isn't "going low". Holding people accountable for the knock on effects of their actions isn't "going low". Holding people accountable for their own previous statements isn't "going low". Callong out blatant lies and misdirection isn't "going low". Actually enforcing laws equally against people privileged financially and/or politically isn't "going low". Calling out blatant corruption isn't "going low".

We don't need the Democrats to start pushing candidates that are only following their own interests while wheeling out whatever their base wants to hear. We don't need Democrats cutting backroom deals with businesses that screw over their constituents. We don't need more toxic waste and diarrehia, just with blue food coloring.

I refuse to believe people actually want "Trump but saying leftist shit to appease people".

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[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 14 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

it's too late for any of this. fascists will continue to do whatever tf they want and face zero consequences, while everyone else continues to peacefully protest and accomplish nothing.

if anything actually changes in the next year, i'll be the first to come back and say i was wrong.

but we've been on this path for going on 10 years. nothing's going to change

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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 11 points 18 hours ago

Shame used to work; it doesn't anymore. (Soap box.)

Voting used to work; it doesn't anymore. (Ballot box.)

The courts used to work; they don't anymore. (Jury box.)

You know what's next.

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