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Open source intelligence suggests rocket was launched by Palestinian group, backing up Israel's claims (www.telegraph.co.uk)

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

The same organization is making it very clear that this is not proof because they only have publicly available Intel.

The group cited several clips believed to be of the explosion from different sources and claimed the “geolocation and timing of the footage is conclusive”. However, they said their conclusions are not “proven fact”.

“That doesn’t mean that they are THE truth, just what we think is highly likely based on our geolocations(facts) and logic/reason,” they wrote on Twitter.

“We are geolocators, not official investigators… To be sure what really happened, different official investigations are needed.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/gaza-hospital-explosion-likely-caused-by-missile-fired-from-palestine-analysts-claim/ar-AA1ipms3

Israel and the US have more intelligence that could definitely prove what happened...

But for some reason they aren't releasing it. Most logical reason is it shows Israel launched it, or blew up the hospital while trying to shoot a rocket down.

If it cleared Israel, that satellite footage would be out by now. Gaza is too tiny for me to believe Israel just wasn't surveiling it at the time.

[-] kromem@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

You think intelligence agencies would release primary source data that could reveal collection methods and fidelity to other nation state intelligence agencies just to win PR points?

There's only one individual I can think of that would do something like that, and he's currently facing charges relating to his handling of classified materials.

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[-] noride@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Is that really the most logical conclusion to be drawn? It's been less than a day, and I would really hope intellegince services are more diligent than your average twitter sleuth. Id rather they be right than first, personally.

Also what satellite footage are you talking about?

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

You dont think Israel has satellites looking at Gaza?

It's a very very small area, and missiles/rockets are more than visible enough. It should be really easy to see if it came from Israel or further in Gaza.

Hamas doesn't have satellites, so it makes sense they can't offer proof.

If Israel wants people to believe them in 2023, they need to understand they've already burnt up their benefit of doubt.

[-] Guydht@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Bro 1 quick google search and you have a satellite image of the hospital. Ya'll just don't wanna believe anything Israel says at this point.

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[-] Guydht@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I don't understand. Ya'll think Israel is gonna burn an intelligence asset they have by making it public just so people who are already convinced by one narrative (because underdogs are always easier to support) have proof of one attack not being their own? They have better use for that intelligence. Like fighting a war.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

a’ll think Israel is gonna burn an intelligence asset

Everyone knows they have satellites, it's not like it's an informant...

[-] kromem@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And the resolution of those satellites is literally a state secret. You won't ever see direct imaging from them being released publicly.

Edit: Also US intelligence said this assessment comes in part based on communications intercepts, which you are definitely never seeing directly released unless leaked.

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[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 12 points 1 year ago

Yeah the original claims seemed as likely to be true as all the times that terrorists fought to take credit for disasasters that didn't involve them. It's quick easy points in fast moving propaganda campaigns. That being said I have seen this fricking twitter thread of internet sleuths used like 4 times and called different things and we keep passing around the same short clip and the complete nonsense arguments.

No I don't think anyone can say anything about this other than a hospital in gaza was partially blown up like many others and people are still suffering while aid is being kept at arms length from the victims. That's the real story and I don't care who did it until real intelligence has something to say on the matter.

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

https://twitter.com/GrantSmithEllis/status/1714399186295111815?t=wxkjKFCi8k2oZ0FTiwxV1g&s=19

10-minute video captured by AJArabic around the time the al-Ahli hospital was hit.

As per @Ted55643099:

Explosions on this video: (0:19) hospital. (0:16, 4:25, 4:49) behind and to the left of the hospital. (5:33, 5:56, 9:26, 10:46) behind hospital, most likely the same place. (9:38, 10:51) to the right of the hospital outside of the frame, likely the same place.

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