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None of these (sub.wetshaving.social)

submitted 10 months ago by weird@sub.wetshaving.social to c/memes@lemmy.world

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[+] Gronk@aussie.zone 108 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (9 children)

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[–] Ethalis@jlai.lu 80 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's basically gambling on the nerdiness of the question's writer. Do they think HTML is a programming language? Do they know that people think it's a programming language and trying to trap them? Do they know it's not a programming language but also know most people would think it is one and so are using the common, loose definition of a programming language in order not to trap people?

My brain would melt

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Mine wouldn't.

It is a quiz, they know what they are talking about if they put the question in. And if they don't, you get to call out the quiz master for being wrong.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 30 points 10 months ago (2 children)

But I’d rather have the million dollars than the satisfaction of calling out the show for being wrong.

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I would challenge the question right there and demand an expert counsel to explain why HyperTextMarkupLanguage is classified as a programming language when it's not even Turing complete. It's a markup language. Security would have to drag me, I'd die on the specificity hill.

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[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

If the question writer was aware, they would have formulated the question differently. It's just not clear-cut whether HTML is a programming language or not, so you wouldn't be quizzing their knowledge, but rather just whether they hold the same opinion as you. Or whether they meta-gamed correctly. Neither of which make for a fun show...

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 61 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I would loudly go on the record for my reasoning that Hypertext Markup Language is not Turing Complete, and therefore fails to be a programming language by the only academic and theoretical definition that matters.

They already are going to award me "lawyer up" money, so I'll come after them for damages later if B is the "right' answer.

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

wrong again! CSS is turing complete, and HTML can include inline CSS, so you can implement a Turing machine in HTML only (without external .js files)

[–] nef@slrpnk.net 22 points 10 months ago (6 children)

It can also include inline JS. HTML alone cannot be turing complete, but HTML+CSS is.

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[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Don’t worry. They interview you before these shows. If you’re at all tech savvy then they would never ask you this question. They want you to be stumped by the question for legitimate reasons, not to loudly protest that you’ve been cheated by a bad question.

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[–] Guidy@lemmy.world 79 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It’s right there in the name: it’s a markup language. Hyper Text Markup Language. HTML.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago (3 children)

How To Meet Ladies.

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[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There is a difference between “markup language” and “programming language”.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That's the point isn't it? Or did you mean that with a question mark attached?
The only correct answer is D, and it got the least votes. 😋

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 10 months ago (4 children)

That's the etymological fallacy. The name itself doesn't determine the meaning. According to that logic, python isn't a programming language either but a snake

[–] vrek@programming.dev 38 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Fun fact python was named after Monty python, not the snake.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 16 points 10 months ago (9 children)

What was Monty Python named after?

[–] Little8Lost@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

I think it got inspired by our lord and savior Brian

[–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 10 months ago

his parents i think

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[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If it walks like a snake and quacks like a snake...

[–] Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The name itself doesn't determine the meaning.

The name in this case is defined by the meaning if you will. Programming languages are used to write programs. A HTML file is much closer to a PDF than to what can be considered a program.

Also fun fact python is named after the comedy group Monty Python rather than the snake.

[–] modeler@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Actually, PDF is a turing complete programming language.

PDF is a simplification and wrapper around the computer language PostScript - a PostScript or PDF doc literally runs on the printer or computer and outputs the rasterisation of the thing you want to print.

PostScript is language based around a stack. You can define functions (which may be fully recursive) that run on the stack.

Here's a small example:

/ANGLE {
   newpath
   100 0 moveto
   0 0 lineto
   100 50 lineto
   stroke
} def

10 setlinewidth
0 setlinejoin
100 200 translate
ANGLE

1 setlinejoin
0 70 translate
ANGLE

2 setlinejoin
0 70 translate
ANGLE

As such, PDF that's actually similar to Python, and HTML is closer to something like a JSON or XML document.

Note however that HTML can contain Javscript or WASM programs, but these are embedded rather than features of HTML.

[–] Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 21 points 10 months ago

Consider me outjerked 🎩🤏

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

HTML5 + CSS3 seems to be Turing complete too: https://lemire.me/blog/2011/03/08/breaking-news-htmlcss-is-turing-complete/

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[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 19 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Ok, but hear me out. Have you seen most Python code?

[–] LiamMayfair@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 10 months ago

snake_case_ftw

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[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago (2 children)

What really has my brain in a knot is: Does option "D: None of these" include or exclude option D?

This statement is false.

[–] argh_another_username@lemmy.ca 10 points 10 months ago (4 children)

That’s why it should be “none of the above”. And if there’s a “all of the above”, it must come right before the “none of the above”.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 30 points 10 months ago

They're not above. One of them is to the left.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Ackshually it's a markup language not a programming language Picks D and loses $1 million

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[–] selkiesidhe@lemm.ee 37 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That question just gave me anxiety. That is exactly the type of question I would get. Technically it's not but does the people who wrote that think that? Is it a trap question or a smart question? Omg I gotta not think about this anymore...

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[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 13 points 10 months ago

Well what the fuck is a machine language?

Is is data transmitted between parties (machines) to convey information? HTML fits this definition.

Do they mean machine code? Because some call machine code "machine language".

Either way the answer is D.

[–] moonlight6205@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Can someone clarify what the answer should be and what was the answer on the show?

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There is a running joke that some people falsely consider HTML a programming language which it is not. So it's D. I didn't watch the show but I assume that's it and the joke is that the audience's majority took alien language

[–] modeler@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Interestingly C and D are both programming languages. That is, there is a programming languages called C and another, D.

I'll see myself out...

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[–] palmtrees2309@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

Not expected Amitabh Bacchan and Indian who wants to be a Millonaire or Kaun bane ga Crorepati. Lemmy has got me suprised. Also HTML is markup not a programming language.

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