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[โ€“] iii@mander.xyz 104 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

Every year they try to push this same shit with a new name. One day there will be a reichstag fire and it will be passed.

So fucking transparant, yet I don't see a way to stop them.

[โ€“] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The rough quote is, we have to win against this every time. They only have to win once.

[โ€“] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 21 points 1 week ago (24 children)

Pretty straightforward: join anarchist groups like the ccc and the fau, vote radical left and tell everyone you know to do the exact same. It already helps in some areas, just keep doing it.

[โ€“] KumaSudosa@feddit.dk 13 points 1 week ago (13 children)

And how do you ensure that the "radical left" doesn't support surveillance measures? Not like the ideology has a good track record on that matter.

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[โ€“] latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[โ€“] deinu@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

At least they give a platform for people to speak out and it's public, but yes disappointing although if you see the other cross-posts some are not straight talking about the risks other than just saying it's about mass surveillance or metadata collection which could ring less alarm bells for people reading it (i know mass surveillance should be enough but oh well)

True, that's actually a wonderful initiative and they should build upon it, the EU needs a public forum to discuss these things.

[โ€“] promitheas@programming.dev 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thank you for bringing this to my attention, I wouldn't be aware of it otherwise. For what its worth, I left my ideas as feedback there.

Also, I would just like to point out that before lemmy (and subscribing to various EU communities) I was not at all active in voicing my opinion about such things as I didn't have any idea that it was even possible/how to do it. Lemmy as a whole has helped me become more active in this regard :D

[โ€“] Alfenstein@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

I have also left some feedback for the first time!

[โ€“] Tundra@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 week ago

Its refreshing to see people care about this subject outside of privacy forums.

Im sure the agencies that do monitor us have stopped potential threats, but there is a fine line between this and having secret police.

[โ€“] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is to make sure VPNs have to retain data and zero logging will be illegal

They have been a thorn in the side of Disney, Netflix, Amazon and HBO for years.

[โ€“] ivorybean28@feddit.uk 29 points 1 week ago (3 children)

" built-in backdoors,"

Good luck getting that into a lot of the open source tech we now use.

[โ€“] iii@mander.xyz 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Simple: the open source tech is now illegal unless they can afford a full time legal team.

It's regulatory capture: the big firms get consulted by the EU and can design the laws to the detriment of competition. It's why now, for example, european cars are so expensive and restricted to a handfull of producers.

Alphabet and friends welcome regulation like this.

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[โ€“] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

[โ€“] Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They already see the coming day. This is why they want the control and enhanced viability

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[โ€“] Astella@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Even as an American, this is terrifying. Everyone knows my country is shit, but I've always seen you guys as the gold standard and for this kind of thing to even be discussed over on your side of the pond is absolutely horrifying....

[โ€“] x00z@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's a specific group within the EU that's trying to do this.

Like those Project 2025 people.

[โ€“] iii@mander.xyz 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

This has widespread support under MEPs, accross party lines. It's only Germany and Poland that opposed it last time. (1)

[โ€“] Squizzy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Is there a list of those who support?

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[โ€“] iii@mander.xyz 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

always seen you guys as the gold standard

In the land of the blind

[โ€“] DeathsEmbrace@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If the bottom of the barrel is what you're trying to compare a golden coated shit is taking all the money.

[โ€“] Astella@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Lol I mean, nobody is perfect, but you guys have things like freedom of movement (even between countries) and France and Germany pushing open source software forward for the sake of privacy, security, flexability and community. Plus, you guys seem to have a mindset of "until it's proven safe, it will be illigal" compared to our "until it is proven UNsafe, it will be legal". Maybe "gold standard" isn't the best term, but I feel like you guys have better way of thinking about the world

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[โ€“] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is something you'd expect in North Korea

[โ€“] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago (13 children)

(Europeans rather than Americans in this case, but you get the point.

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