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Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
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...right. https://lemm.ee/post/64989079
Do these self proclaimed anti-imperialists have any self awareness about the fact they are organising brigades of denial of imperialist actions (like the Uyghur genocide)?
Seeing this stuff makes me want to scream
I am a communist anti-nazi. Therefore I support russian nazi state.
logical.
But...but....'Murica!
They hate the US and love China
Their "critical support" isn't very critical if they defend every action of the group that they critically support.
Is hexbear like ml too? I’m new here
Hexbear was an independent site before it ever federated, so it has a very tight-knit community of like-minded users. There are lots of in-jokes and memes that only make sense to other Hexbear users. When it began federating, lots of federated users ended up clashing with them. And since Hexbear tends to be very tight-knit, this meant that getting into an argument with one Hexbear user usually meant getting dogpiled by a dozen others. Even just commenting about it here will likely have a few Hexbear users popping in to throw around the tankie or liberal accusation.
They also have a history of brigading smaller instances, and the mods/admins of Hexbear tend to take a laissez-faire approach to moderating posts on external instances. Basically, the Hexbear admins tend to use the “moderating communities is the individual moderators’ job. We take care of our own instance; you should handle yours” stance. Which means mods and admins on federated instances often ended up playing whack-a-mole with Hexbear users, whose admins refused to take action unless it was posts on Hexbear.
And yeah, the Hexbear mods+admins tend to be pretty heavy-handed with non-communist posts, which leads to a lot of the same complaints that people have about .ml. Even if the individual users are cordial, the fact that dissent is quickly squashed means there’s only room for one prevailing mindset; The nail that sticks out gets hammered down, so Hexbear users tend to fall in line or leave for other instances pretty quickly.
hexbear is .ml but worse,
They have a history of brigading threads critical of them or tankies, then say its not brigading, as they are just federating.
Hexbear is defederated on most servers, not mine (I'm usually fine with this) but .ml is left alone since it has a lot of the official lemmy communities.
As I recall they have a comm called 'slop' that's basically a drop point for it. As one post I recall mentioned 'put (random tankie anti-west slurs) posts in '"slop'" and whatever happens, happens'
I haven't bothered to defed them or the other two myself either, in some part because it's funny to scrap with them, plus it's a pretty pointless exercise if they just create alts on other servers.
Don't forget the "Dunk Tank" where brigades are organized.
Thats where this post is from would you believe.
Hey, look at that, devils I'm the details and all I guess.
Hexbear is defederated on most servers
They're defederated from a couple of the larger servers and a few of the smaller ones.
https://federation-checker.vercel.app/
EDIT: It could be that this list is incomplete or something went wonky when they went through their domain drama. Looking around some of the larger servers hexbear.net is on the blocked list, but that isn't being reflected on the tool linked above. Some servers are defederated from either side but certainly not most.
Why is hexbear scared of porn?
By many less liberal lefties, porn is seen as inherently exploitative. The roots of the industry to this day are in some circumstances watered with human trafficking and barrels of ~~cum~~ misogyny, so it's not a totally unreasonable position, it just is one more issue that is construed as black or white when in reality, the subject is far more nuanced.
Edit: Also many instances have no age verification and might be by local law obligated to block NSFW-content for their users.
Working is inherently exploitative but sex work is just another job.
If the sex worker is doing it voluntarily. That is sadly a very, very big if.
No, it's worse.
The main problem with .ml is that it pretends to be a legitimate server, for generic use. This means that there is some normal communities there that get censored as a result, and its not usually defederated because they have the official lemmy communities.
It is a badge of honor to get banned for "trolling"
What does brigading mean?
Similar to review bombing, it means someone posts a link to another post, typically shortly after it is posted, and say "Look at this post, it is bad lol" in a community with the implication that your like-minded friends in that community will also dislike and downvote it, then the entire community starts clicking on the link to downvote it, resulting in rapid, coordinated downvoting that completely outpaces any chance of normal, organic voting and discovery so the post gets buried in the algorithm, which they celebrate because they've "owned the libs" or whatever.
On reddit, if a popular subreddit linked to a post with a dissenting opinion, with the intention of flooding the comments and downvoting the people there.
Its the same here on lemmy.
An opinion that disagrees with…the guiding opinions of the popular subreddit? So if r/trees posted a link to an anti-weed article, for example?
Think more political. /r/the_donald was really bad about it. If you made an anti-Trump post, someone would crosspost it to t_d, and all of the conservative Trump supporters would descend on the post to downvote, argue (often in bad faith), troll, or outright flame.
Yes. For example, if you were around for r/the_donald, they would post links to posts critical of trump, and then the members of the subreddit would go to that post, downvote dissenting opinions and argue in the comments.
Not exactly. It would be more like if r/trees made a post linking to another post they didn't like in another subreddit in a coordinated effort to get it downvoted off the front page and troll people participating in the thread.
Linking directly to an article on another website isn't quite the same unless the members register en mass to downvote and/or troll in the comments.
Ohhh, ok, now I get it. I wasn’t understanding what the endgame was, but it’s to get another post downvoted into obscurity for the purposes of feeling good about their hatred.
It is also just about flooding places the brigaders don't like with their bullshit, ruining the fun of the people they are brigading.
Someone should post the obligatory:
#NotYourPersonalArmy or #NoBolshevismHere
it/its, she/her
I just have this feeling this person is trolling 24/7
Can you explain how pronouns = trolling?
"it/its" indicates this person is not serious
How does that work?
Tell me about someone you know who uses the pronouns "it/its"
None, but I also don't know anyone who's French but I'm sure France is real.
And there's evidence all around you that France and French people are real, whereas...
oh okay, replace it with ptsd.
No. Not because of the pronouns anyway. Of everything in this screenshot, that person's pronouns are the smallest issue.