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I mean, just declare a republic ffs.

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[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 62 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's like your country is wearing a fancy hat. The hat is not practical, it doesn't help you do things, but boy does it look neat. It's not all that expensive, so why not? Lots of countries have big monuments, historic buildings for their legislatures to be in and so forth, this is just that in human form.

[–] ALostInquirer@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It’s not all that expensive, so why not? Lots of countries have big monuments, historic buildings for their legislatures to be in and so forth, this is just that in human form.

Are we sure they're not all that expensive, comparatively speaking to the monuments and historic buildings and the like?

[–] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

It's really not that expensive in comparison, especially when you count the tourism factor which is absolutely significant.

Go to London, or Copenhagen, or Stockholm, and see the Changing of the Guards. Do that on any random Tuesday - and notice the crowds of people that watch.

And, as has been said already, at least in Scandinavia the monarchs have high cultural value and are very well liked, on top of having important roles in keeping government going. They aren't freeloaders, and there isn't a huge upper class attached.

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[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 49 points 3 days ago

There are stabilizing benefits in some cases. Traditions can be valuable, even just for show.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Think of them as prestigious diplomats.

Sounds way better when you say "I had a meeting with the king of The Netherlands recently" compares to "I had a meeting with the High Commissioner of The Netherlands recently "

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[–] T156@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Because it's not a small thing to change. You're basically overhauling everything if you wish to transition from a monarchy to a republic, because it's rooted in everything.

The names of the governmental positions, and possibly their responsibilities would need to change, as would official documentation, the money, the flag, the national anthem...

You could hardly call yourself a republic if your passports are still carry the authority of the monarch, and your national anthem prominently features the King.

It only gets more complicated if you're a former colonial power, since they may also be affected, and have to change everything as well. If the UK decides to ditch the Monarchy and become a Republic, Australia and Canada would need to follow suit, since it would be silly for them to have references to a monarch that no longer exists, or a GG who's meant to be representative for a position that no longer exists.

Either that, or there will be a political/legal headache deciding whether they become the new inheritors of the monarchy, since the parent is gone, or would they be also need to make the same changes (see above).

Pity they can’t just put a page in the book that says “from here forward we do things this new way” and just keep moving. But that’s not how legal and governmental systems work.

[–] JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Malaysia has a king, so they would remain a monarchy.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 18 points 3 days ago

Most constitutional monarchies got that way due to incremental change generally caused by political crises. Switching from a monarchy to a republic usually done as a response to one of these crises; no crisis usually means the monarch keeps the crown.

You also have an issue of what to replace the monarch with. Most constitutional monarchies have parliamentary systems of government where the legislature has supremacy. However, you still need a supreme executive to run a government when the legislature fails. The process of picking that person is very politically important and had inherent risks to it. For some countries, keeping the monarch as the on/off switch is easier than dealing with the headache of choosing a President.

These comments are proof that Robespierre didn't go far enough.

[–] spittingimage@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Monarchs are like cardboard boxes. Someday they'll be useful again, you just know it.

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Instructions unclear, accidentally placed a cat on top of King Charles III

[–] spittingimage@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

See? I knew we'd find a use for him.

[–] jam12705@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

My wife uses them to keep weeds from growing in the garden...boxes that is. Perhaps we could utilize the king in a similar fashion?

[–] mastertigurius@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

A lot of good points here about pros and cons when considering republic vs constitutional monarchy. I was myself against the idea of monarchy for quite a while, but I realize it's mostly because I was living in the UK at the time and was exposed to how normal people are treated compared to the upper class. In addition, though the British royal family doesn't have any power on paper, they have vast connections in all parts of the government and private sector with many ways to influence things. Also, the UK was until recently a two party state, which meant almost total power to whichever party won the election.

Scandinavia doesn't have as much of a disparity between social classes (even counting royals), and what I see here is that the monarchy provides a stability and continuity that we wouldn't get with a republic. Anyone can lie, cheat and bribe their way to getting elected president, but when you have a dozen different parties with different policies passing laws with a monarch as an anchor, it works out pretty well.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because conservatives would go to the culture war trenches over it and it's a cheap, simple concession that literally does not matter.

You give them a royal family as a chew toy and ideally pass non-reactionary, non-anachronistic stuff elsewhere.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 16 points 3 days ago (6 children)

it’s a cheap, simple concession

Depends. AFAIK the English monarchy is fairly expensive.

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Keeps the conservatives somewhat placated.

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 days ago (5 children)

They still have power. The king has regular meeting with the prime minister and they own an awful amount of property which also translates to power

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

That's less of a "monarchy" power, more of a "rich people can bribe politicians" power

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 days ago

Not wrong but they are rich because they are part of the monarchy and they are very rich. And the meeting between king and Prime Minister is a scheduled thing in the UK

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[–] dwindling7373@feddit.it 9 points 3 days ago

Damn out of 90 comments I read only a couple that made any sense.

It's because it's a complex legal transition to g othrough, because laws are a dumb series of words that's usually tied to the whateverness the highest for of power is.

It's still objectively odious to grant birth based rights or role to certain people over others.

The only practical positive I can see is that it's such a dumb system that it can be fromally abused to enforce a certain degree of stability when the proper democratic process go and fuck itself, but 1) there's other ways 2) at that point the crown storically sides with the degenerates (becaue power by birthrights is a degenerate concept after all).

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 10 points 3 days ago (9 children)

The point of a constitutional monarchy is to transition away from an absolute monarchy towards a republic.

[–] Mysteriarch@slrpnk.net 7 points 3 days ago

It's not though. It could be the point in some cases. But often enough, constitutions have been granted as concessions from the sovereign to whatever group was putting up pressure, often the nobility, who had no further intent to introduce a republic or democracy or whatever else. Just looking out for their own interests.

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[–] mastertigurius@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The King of Norway has a mostly symbolic role in day-to-day affairs. New laws that have been passed by the Storting (Parliament) will have their final approval signed by the King, but this is largely a token approval. The King does have veto power over any given amendment, but if he invokes it, Parliament has the right to vote the same amendment through a second time, at which point it cannot be vetoed. He is the head of the Church of Norway, and also supreme commander of our armed forces. Though command is delegated to other commanders, the King would have a more direct role in questions regarding central command or wartime. When representing our country abroad, he is very much considered a personification of the nation, rather than a representative of the ruling party. Norway's main reason for maintaining our own monarchy stems very much from declaring independence from Denmark and Sweden, which ruled us for about 500 years.

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[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 8 points 3 days ago (6 children)

A constitutional monarch may have a wide range of powers, depending on the constitution. It doesn't automatically mean "powerless figurehead."

Given the way the US has been recently, I'm willing to admit that there may be some benefit to having a leader in some position of power that had been there a long time, and has, more or less, been training for the responsibly since birth.

Of course, there are plenty of arguments against such a leader, but the least of which is how much you have to stretch the word "training" to make it fit that sentence above.

[–] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Given the way the US has been recently, I'm willing to admit that there may be some benefit to having a leader in some position of power that had been there a long time, and has, more or less, been training for the responsibly since birth.

That's an argument I've often heard, in favour of monarchy - "Would you prefer a President Blair/Johnson/Farage?"

It's a fair point, but they never have an answer for what would happen with a King Blair/Johnson/Farage.

With a president (or any other democratic system) you can, at least in theory, have a say in who represents the country. As it is we in the UK are stuck with a mind-meltingly wealthy, influential and unaccountable family who have extremely questionable members and histories.

They influence laws to benefit their own ends, they shield abusive behaviour and individuals, and they do it all in the name of maintaining a tradition that fundamentally says that some people are simply "better" than others.

Monarchy is just repugnant to me - and not just the British Monarchy, the whole concept.

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[–] zxqwas@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In my country they have enough support from both the left and right leaning voters. Also a vast majority of voters think there are more important issues to deal with.

Some parties (we have 8 with >4% votes) have an ideological position that we should abolish momarchy. No party is actively campaigning for it, because it's seen as unimportant.

[–] myrmidex@slrpnk.net 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

In my country we have 2 kings, one of whom complains he does not get enough money to fuel his yacht. No joke.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago (7 children)

I'm intrigued. Which country?

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not going into civil war. Basically that's it.

Democracy but don't destroy previous institution because some people would actually go to war over that.

I think eventually they all will fall. When people just stop seeing the point.

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[–] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I think taking a broad view, there are quite a lot of constitutional monarchies that are really great places to live (Sweden, Denmark, Norway, New Zealand, Canada, the Bahamas, Japan, to name a few). There are also quite a lot of republics that can claim the same. So, from a sort of human development POV, I don't think it really matters very much.

[EDIT: Should've added that there are also plenty of republics and monarchies that are disasters, too. My point is that there's no consistent pattern of one works and the other doesn't.]

Sure, monarchies are a bit daft but I think 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' is quite a good rule. Especially since spending time on fixing things that ain't broke is time you could be spending on fixing things that are broke. I live in the UK and we have a lot of major problems that need our attention. It's better to focus on those than have a big argument about the King when, as we can see from international comparisons, the King isn't really the issue.

[–] Z3k3@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I love that you said Canada but not the UK as we share a monarch 🤣 please send help i hate it here

[–] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Heh. Yeah, I can't really hold up a country backsliding on trans rights as an example of an effective constitutional monarchy.

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