AI is hapsburg jawing itself
this post was submitted on 10 May 2025
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"AI design is inherently defective and will never work correctly."
Guess we need to jam it into more things!
As much as I agree with the sentiment and as much as I despise the current state of tech and llm's, software and tech in general are very brittle, riddled with problems and human mistakes(a bug is just a made up word that allows displacement of responsibility).
Just rambling don't really have a useful point
Photocopy of a photocopy.
It was evident that this was inevitable since they poisoned the Internet, the very thing they train their crap on, with their own slop.
They temporarily mitigated it by pirating every existing form of media... but that would only work as long as they didn't train their models on anything published after they poisoned the well, which would make it even more useless for most use cases, so they kept using their own slop for training, maybe believing their own lies that they'll be able to fix it, maybe planning to sell and run just before the bubble bursts.
Last time we fed something its own shit and corpses we got mad cow disease.
Guess mad "AI" ¹ is on the menu for the foreseeable future. 🤷♂️
¹ (It's not even real AI, just fancy applied statistics to make a marginally better — but, thanks to model poisoning, progressively worse — autocomplete.)
But this is expected.
These anomalies occur because of the learning of the models. They don't have them when newly released because they have been trained on "clean" data.
As the resolution of vectoring increases, the speed at which the data becomes corrupted increases.
Most "hallucinations" are not really hallucinations. What happens is people put in multiple prompts changing definitions put forward by the model and then the original data gets downranked, so when a question is asked, it repeats the false data the user put in. Then they put in the screenshot at the end, not showing all the garbage they put in.
Now remember models usually discard this information for a new session, as any new information has to go through a model approval process comparing it with the clean database originally mined.
Yeah, people don't really realize that the reason these models are "free" is that we're part of the learning process, and is a critical step towards AGI. I don't think that the current generation of neural networks, not just GPTs in general, would be capable of such feat, especially as current neural networks are just very simplified models of neurons that can be represented with a simple matrix multiplication.
We are in the age of Simulacra and Simulation. The Matrix has you...
good
“Here to stay”? No.
No, I don’t think so.
I think yes. Look at how long they've been trying to cram voice assistants down our throats. There's no point at which they'll say "no, I don't think these are ready yet, let's pull them back".
It is clear to all that a bubble has been growing.
If you're insisting the bubble will never burst, then there has to eventually be an actual use case for this that makes back the billions they're investing no? What's that use case? A Copilot subscription?
there has to eventually be an actual use case for this that makes back the billions they're investing no?
No. They just keep investing in perpetuity. Look at Tesla.
Look at Tesla.
Sure
Tesla's stock has plummeted over 50% since December, causing the company to lose $800 billion in market value. That drop has also knocked roughly $100 billion off Musk's net worth, though he remains the world's richest person, with a fortune estimated at $329 billion by Forbes.
According to the Financial Times, short sellers have made over $16 billion betting against Tesla in the last three months, and some analysts have downgraded their global delivery forecasts to the lowest levels since 2022.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-stock-tanked-hard-no-161417378.html
Look closelier. +5% over the last 5 days. +18% over the last month. +77% over the last 12 months. +460% over the last 5 years. That's in spite of the CEO's recent deeply polarizing antics that have nothing to do with Tesla itself.
Don't make up numbers.
+77% over the last 12 months
It's -21.36%. I don't know where you're getting this info from.
Type "Tesla stock" into Google and select YTD (year to date).
LOL I am not making up numbers, you just don't understand what "year to date" means...
Oh, got it. Yeah thats embarrassing. Google places it right after 6 months so i didnt even think about it LOL. I see the +77% over the past year.
We're super in the weeds at this point, and Tesla stock has nothing to do with AI so i shouldn't have even entertained you changing the goalposts, but now that you have I'll admit you scored on this one.
Back to the original point though, neither Tesla nor AI will grow in perpetuity, the bubbles will burst, it's just a question of when.
i shouldn't have even entertained you changing the goalposts
I didn't change any goal posts, I gave an example as evidence of how companies' stock prices can balloon indefinitely with no rational justification. That's not the same thing.
Yeah we were talking about the AI bubble and you changed the goals to the stock of an electric car company.
I gave an example as evidence of how companies' stock prices can balloon indefinitely with no rational justification
There was no need. I already agreed a bubble exists.
The question we were discussing is whether or not it will pop.
My view is it will pop eventually, your view seems to ge that in 100 years from now a pyramid scheme built on infinite growth is somehow still resulting in heaps of returns for investors.
Time will tell.
Yeah we were talking about the AI bubble and you changed the goals to the stock of an electric car company.
I did not change anything, both topics are about "bubbles" in general.
I already agreed a bubble exists.
I did not. My evidence was in the contrary.
your view seems to ge that in 100 years from now a pyramid scheme built on infinite growth is somehow still resulting in heaps of returns for investors
You're intentionally misrepresenting my statements. I never said anything about returns. It's built on infinite speculation.
Please stop lowering yourself to bad faith arguments.
I did not change anything, both topics are about "bubbles" in general.
This is getting a bit tedious. AI is a specific bubble. Generalizing it is still moving the goalposts but I'll grant you it's on "theme".
I did not. My evidence was in the contrary.
I'm confused now. You don't believe there's a bubble? You think Tesla and AI are valued accurately?
You're intentionally misrepresenting my statements. I never said anything about returns. It's built on infinite speculation.
With respect, I don't even know what you're saying here.
When you say "speculation" we're talking about the stock price going up correct?
If I invest in a company, and the value of that investment goes up via stock price, this definitionally is a return on investment.
The stock price going up is a return on investment. I'm not trying to misrepresent you, this is simply what your words mean.
You think Tesla and AI are valued accurately?
Not being a bubble does not = "Tesla and AI are valued accurately". "Accurately" would mean that there is legitimate potential for future income. "Bubble" = market conditions that are going to "pop"/collapse. I don't think there is a "pop". The stock just going to grow indefinitely, driven purely by hype and advertising. Because that is what has happened to Tesla for the last 10 years and counting.
The stock price going up is a return on investment. I'm not trying to misrepresent you, this is simply what your words mean.
I consider ROI to be income derived from the products themselves but I suppose if you're an investor that doesn't matter either.
The stock just going to grow indefinitely, driven purely by hype and advertising.
Agree to disagree. Go invest in AI if you want.
Like blockchain, NFTs, crypto, 3D TVs and every other overhyped tech with no actual product behind it, I am certain it will crash, so I wouldn't recommend it, but you're welcome to your take.
Because that is what has happened to Tesla for the last 10 years and counting.
I despise Elon just as much as you do, ever since the cave diving incident I've seen him as an immature school child and he's only revealed himself to be that much worse.
But don't rewrite history about Tesla and act like they weren't selling cars...
Those 10 years were legit growth. He built a dedicated intellectual demographic of people who care about climate change.
Now he's spent the past 2 years burning it all down, so we'll see how long he can keep this up. Not 10 years.
Those 10 years were legit growth.
Every rational investor will tell you the financial growth of the company does not come anywhere close to justifying the astronomical growth of the stock price.
AKA a bubble.
The bubble grows while there is actual growth underneath to push it. When the actual growth stagnates, any growth in the bubble is putting more and more pressure on the stock until minor fluctuations can domino into mass panic.
Look at Enron for an example of this in action. It happens quick.
Once again, the bubble implies there is a looming "pop".
Exactly
Exactly, it's not a bubble.
the financial growth of the company does not come anywhere close to justifying the astronomical growth of the stock price.
it's not a bubble
It's either a bubble or not. You can't have it both ways.
I think I'm done with this.
It's either a bubble or not.
What did I say in the comment you just replied to?
I get it. We've done this circle before.
You're going to say "it's not a bubble".
I'm going to ask "so is the stock price accurate"?
You're going to say it's a bubble without using the word bubble "any investor can tell the price is skyrocketed above what it should be worth".
And then like the Patrick/Man Ray meme I'm going to say "so it's a bubble" which you will then respond "no" to and we will repeat the circle.
I said I'm done.
I've explained several times now exactly how and why it's not a bubble. If you have problems understanding basic English, that's not something I can help you with.
I mean - I still don’t use them so - ? And knowing they’re infected with AI, I wouldn’t use them for anything other than the simplest, statistically-improbable-to-get-wrong tasks.
You’d be surprised, Google voice commands have gotten so bad it can’t toggle a light. Things as simple as “define: word” are now a 50/50 of working or spitting out some random crap unrelated to what was attempted to be looked up. I’ve stopped using the little speakers for anything other than streaming music while cooking.
And yet they are still here
I guess - i mean, the smallpox virus is still here too, it’s just very unpopular and not very profitable.
Oh you got a solution for ai hallucinations?
Yep. No AI.
Yeah.
Paywall
Not pay but sign up wall. But I get it. It's annoying af.