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https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1712494317024026761

This is like saying "my health is great ex my heart".

[edit] Also, child poverty increased more in 2022 than any time in recorded US history. So "little cost" for Krugman, but not for the population.

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[-] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago

Me in the grocery store like, "what lower prices?"

[-] CarmineCatboy@hexbear.net 81 points 1 year ago

actually sweaty the graph clearly states that prices will merely raise less quickly than before you're welcome for these econ facts 😎

[-] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The point is that his graph intentionally excludes most of the prices.

"CPI ex food, energy, shelter and used cars"

[-] CarmineCatboy@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

let me tell you about unemployment figures excluding people who gave up on life

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

Everything except the essentials!

[-] Llituro@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

madeline-deadpan me when the capitalist "economists" suddenly decide that their models are actually mathematical and admit derivatives despite their theory being nothing but non-mathematical vibes

[-] RION@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago

"CPI ex the most important prices"

[-] btfod@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago

So if we cut off the bottom of the hierarchy of needs, everyone's that much closer to self actualization

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

michael-laugh Abraham Maslow shining

[-] drinkinglakewater@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago

lmao what does this include then?

[-] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not a lot. What Krugman excluded from the graph is ~70% of the total. 30% is stuff like consumer electronics, home supplies, etc.

But also, even 2% inflation can be bad if your wage growth is 0%. It might be worse than when inflation was 9%, but your wage growth was 8%. Another thing is that for some weird reason, people will prioritize things like shelter and food, so inflation in those areas always hurts more than the price of iPads. Just looking at the "inflation" number alone is really stupid. And that is because economics is a precise and conclusive science, folks!!!

[-] pumpchilienthusiast@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

funko dolls and those headphone with cat ears

[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Guns, funko pops of youtubers making the soypoint-1 , ~~kerosene which you can use on clowns like this,~~ um...metal straws

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Construction materials (wall)

Ammunition and armaments

Wages (making people face the wall)

[-] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago
[-] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Fuck that's some psychic damage. I'd forgotten about Sinema's weird anime girl bullshit.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

When the Rev comes I am going to make Krugman sit in the corner and read Das Kapital over and over again until I am satisfied he understands it.

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

We'll tell him that we're defeating hunger as we give him less and less food with each meal

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

Please make him where an antiquated dunce cap too, to complete the look

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[-] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You realize he is such a low hanging fruit when every reply is dunking on him lol.

Off topic but its hilarious how someone could be so wrong? I never even knew about this lore. The internet already big in 1998? I had a quick look AOL already had 30 million subscribers at that point? lol

Also “When we launched AOL 4.0 in 1998, AOL used ALL of the world-wide CD production for several weeks. Think of that. Not a single music CD or Microsoft CD was produced during those weeks.”

Meanwhile, Nobel prize winner economist: "FAX MACHINES!!!!1!11!!!!!!"

[-] TrashGoblin@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that was at the height of the first dotcom bubble.

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

Krugman: one who Krugs

Krug: to say something really fucking stupid, like mind-bogglingly monumentally stupid, you won't believe just how fucking dumb this shit is

[-] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

Good thing nobody actually needs to pay for food or shelter. Can you imagine how bad it would be if those prices were still spiraling out of control? We dodged a bullet there.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

Look! An historic material condition is waning! Quickly, do an ideology so we can take credit!

So…. Luxury goods? They caused a recession for cheaper treats? I don’t even think it’s an accurate analysis and it’s still so fucking ghoulish. The death toll of poverty just keeps accelerating.

the-deserter The bourgeoisie are not human.

[-] gaycomputeruser@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This stupid tweet / series of tweets has fucked with me enough that I did a VERY rough integration (do not take this as numbers, I literally just moved points on a chart until they more or less matched the original. The units are also a little funky, and I didn't have a real desire to untangle what they mean because I have actual work to do.)

The red is more or less the actual inflation rate.

[-] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Isn’t all of economics just willful ignorance of what’s directly in front of you?

[-] ProfessorAdonisCnut@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

No, a lot of it is willful ignorance of what's directly behind you

[-] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

and a little willful ignorance of what's happening right where you are

[-] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Forgive me, I'm no mathematician. Are you revealing that the OP graph is cumulative and really shows a slowing down in the growth of inflation rather than a reversal or lowering of inflation?

[-] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What does decrease of inflation from 2% to 1% mean? The cost for consumers has still increased.

This is the point they’re making, that OP’s graph is saying that the rate of increase has decreased, and so it’s a graph of the derivative.

[-] gaycomputeruser@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah, the original graph shows the rate of change of inflation. It defines how much it's increasing by. The author is lying with graphs.

[-] btfod@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Maslow btfo

[-] adultswim_antifa@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

The federal reserve excludes food and energy because they are more noisy and don't want to be hiking interest rates based on random fluctuations that won't last. The way shelter is incorporated into CPI is well known to be bad. They were saying a year ago that it would lead to higher CPI numbers for a long time after inflation stopped. Excluding used cars seems like pure cherry picking: this number sucks too much so we will not look at it.

They don't want prices to come down or even stop going up. They want them to stop going up too fast.

Krugman is an idiot, mainstream economics is a pseudoscience, inflation seems to be still too high. Just trying to explain what he thinks he's doing.

[-] Llituro@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

knifecat why don't you integrate the graph to show what prices actually are Paul?

WHY DON'T YOU SHOW WHAT THE PRICE CHANGE IS PAUL??

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Well because then the model wouldnt hold up very-intelligent

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[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

I straight up thought those were examples of CPI variables, not exclusions. Just incredible.

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[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Winning the war on inflation would mean controlled deflation because we organized and optimized production in favor of humanity's needs rather than profit.

[-] betelgeuse@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Stop letting liberals have statistics.

[-] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Please tell me people are dunking on this clown. People can't get away with takes this shit uncontested.

[-] Runcible@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

I could not improve upon this tweet

[-] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Note this is the rate of inflation going down. Since products are already inflated above survival prices, them increasing at a lower rate means fuck all.

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