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The foundation of the new policy is that New York state will be able to authorize first responders to forcibly hospitalize mentally ill New Yorkers who cannot meet their own basic needs such as food, shelter or medical care.

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[–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 50 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (4 children)

Involuntary psychiatry is a violent practice that strips its victims of all human rights and effectively all due process. It is an unimaginable horror that can possibly lead to coercive psychiatry or medicalized rape.

“who appear to be mentally ill and who display an inability to meet basic living needs” could be taken against their will to a hospital for a psychiatric evaluation.

Not being able to provide for your needs is not mental illness. An appearance of mental illness is not proof that somebody needs involuntary commitment. First responders are not equipped to diagnose mental illness - this is a stripping of rights and imprisonment.

If somebody is unable to provide for their needs, give them the ability to do so. Provide food, real housing, actual medical care, and an option for outpatient mental health care for them to recover if they are not in crisis.

I understand some people are severely mentally ill, are in crisis, and are a DANGER to themselves and others and need care ASAP, but this is just targeting impoverished individuals, who may be homeless, based on what is effectively hearsay.

We can do better than this as a society.

[–] cattywampas@lemm.ee 25 points 13 hours ago (39 children)

It does bring up a tough question though: what do we do with people who need treatment but refuse to accept it?

[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

I have been asking that question my whole life, and even more so now with certain politicians and governmental figures.

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[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Thank goodness. Ever since we got rid of the asylums, things have been going downhill, and I'm glad to see that someone's getting sense back.

[–] superniceperson@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 hours ago (10 children)

Jail isn't better, and this will be used to hunt the poor even more extensively, not just the homeless. A day late on your rent and keep your apartment messy? Congrats, you get a nice vacation under this proposal.

[–] Artyom@lemm.ee 2 points 10 hours ago

Jail and asylums are very different. Jail is a tool for incarceration, it gives us systematic racism. Asylums are for crazy shit, it gives us LORE.

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

People who slip by a day and just keep a mess tend to have support networks. If they're employed, they're not likely to get thrown in a mental health section in NY. Plus, again, this is New York, not Texas or Florida. Consider the context here. There's a lot of homeless people in the City who refuse care and get washed through the system. They aren't getting held in jail, but they're racking up fines, putting them further behind and worse off. Mandatory care is needed for some people. And we can't write laws to cover the corner cases without risking overreach.

[–] superniceperson@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 hours ago

More people are isolated from support systems than ever before in history, and the rapidly rising homeless population across the US is absolutely a counter to your narrative.

We do need systemic reform. We need housing first solutions to homelessness. Not forced 'hospitalization' for anyone too poor to live free and too useless to work for the state as a slave.

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[–] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Can we nominate people? There's an Orange that comes to mind.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

He's probably behind this so he can send more US citizens to the camps.

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