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[–] improve7elephants@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

I like to look at it this way: There are not many bad people but weak people who fall for propaganda. The real bad people are just a few but those are the ones manipulating the weak.

[–] wowwoweowza@lemmy.world 1 points 1 minute ago

Glad you started this conversation. Allow me to just add: if we are to repair our republic and restore our constitution, we are going to have to find a common ground where these feeble minded followers can see that the world they reject is one that benefits them more than the dystopia they embrace.

This is going to require restraint and tolerance on our part.

[–] drcabbage@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Too weak to have any morals? I doubt it. They are just given permission to let their inner racism out.

[–] rivan@lemm.ee 3 points 1 hour ago

That's too easy and excuses us from the work needed to rescue these people, content in our own moral superiority.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I know a lot of people who are pissed off and struggling yet don’t blame minorities for their troubles while actively voting against their best interests at every possible turn. I also know people who, even if it took some time, realized that conservatism is actually fucking awful. I even know some conservatives who are just really stupid or bad at economic policy but who are genuinely good people(so long as he can see you or even just hear that you’re a friend of someone he knows my dad will give you his shirt, and he doesn’t have ill-intentions towards minorities, for example).

Trump people are just fucking terrible. Their entire “ideology” is so rooted in being terrible that even if they were just weak morons sweat away by the propaganda I still cannot fathom how they weren’t tipped off by any of the thousands of moments which gave them the opportunity to reflect.

[–] cabillaud@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

All this is not new. It started with Reagan and I'm confident you will soon have it worst than Trump, given that your country managed to fall lower 3 times already.

[–] Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Nah, a lot of people are cunts.

[–] Fluke@lemm.ee 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Tetraethyl Lead has a lot to answer for, but yes, a lot of people are just selfish arseholes.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 8 hours ago

I already knew that there were plenty of awful people in the US since I studied the civil rights movement in school. Watching white people use fire hoses against Black people and white people being ok with that was a clue. For me the worst part has been watching my friends and family be brainwashed by the MAGA movement. People who I know to be otherwise wonderful people.

For me it's the answer to the zombie question. Do zombies have some part of their former personality still inside? The answer is definitely yes, and not some part, but 100% of their former selves.

I'll be talking to my Mom and she'll be her old self again for a whole conversation. Like the last decade never happened. Then something political will come up and she'll be gone again. And I'm stuck arguing with this zombie.

Fox News has taken multiple family members and I'm sure many more friends. Unlike zombies there was no attack or infection. The brainwashing happened through radio, television, and social media. And unlike zombies there is hope, because people do get out of cults.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 4 points 7 hours ago

How many inbred people, even trump hates

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 15 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You just know that guy on the left has a swastika tattoo somewhere on him.

[–] modus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Yeah, it's right there on his throat. It's just the v2.

[–] seeigel@feddit.org 15 points 10 hours ago

It is escapable. It's propaganda. Show them different news and they are communists.

The worst part of the Trump era is the realization of just how few people don't fall for the divide and conquer manipulation.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 23 points 11 hours ago

It's also amazing just how incredibly tacky the MAGA movement is.

The Nazis were evil, but at least they wore clothing designed by Hugo Boss. At least they borrowed from impressive looking Roman-style banners and eagles. They understood how to use colour, light and so-on to project strength. Even if you acknowledge that the Nazis were evil, at least you can sort of understand why the German people were drawn in.

But the MAGA movement is so weak, so tacky. Even if I were somehow 100% aligned with their beliefs, I wouldn't want to associate with them in public because their whole aesthetic is so embarrassing. I can't understand how anybody can look at Trump and see competence, intelligence and strength. I also can't understand how anybody can look at a typical MAGA rally and see anything other than a design scheme that would make even Wal*Mart cringe.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (4 children)

I don't understand how the US is so prop-full of hateful, ignorant, angry people. Is it because of all the lead they ingested towards the end of the 20th century?

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 7 points 5 hours ago

Its because conservatives have actively meddled in the educational system, and kept kids from learning and practicing Critical Thinking Skills. At the same time, they used the vast Conservative Propaganda Machine to teach people to rely on Faith-Based Thinking, where they believe whatever they are told, no matter how absurd or outlandish, as long as it comes from someone in authority, such as a radio/tv talk show host, a politician, a preacher, a cop, a boss, etc.

Thats why they went so hard after evangelicals. They have already proven that they will build their entire lives around the most bizarre mythology and fairy tales written by neolithic goatherders, so all they had to do was get them to accept their political fairy tales, too.

Critical Thinking Skills are the most important part of any person's education, and Conservatives have actively suppressed it. That's why the Department of Education has always been one of their worst enemies. The 'liberal indoctrination" they are always screaming about are Critical Thinking Skills.

[–] daskye@lemm.ee 5 points 5 hours ago

Look around the world... It's not just the US, the US are just a big example of it

[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

It's because those in power will always make sure the masses are blaming the "others" and that there will always be "others"to blame. They don't want people looking too closely and seeing that it is them who make life hard.

[–] myrrh@ttrpg.network 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

...the baby boomer generation were raised on television and consider it an authoritative source of information; fox news made them a captive asset...as for younger folks on the fascist train, it's likely sensationalist social media echo chambers, and unfortunately more and more countries are fostering the same pathology...

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

One of the good things about living in the bay area is seeing these people on TV, it's like seeing an NPC in a video game. It's hard to believe they are real. The 1st time I saw an IRL maga hat was 2020, and I'm pretty sure it was a tourist at the beach I had to point and laugh. The 2nd time was last month, and I gave that bitch the bird. She was wearing the cringe ass Elon Dark Gothic Maga hat.

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 38 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

I'll never recover, personally. The way my world-view was shattered by how many not just nameless strangers, but people I actually know and interact with, are the worst sort of hateful monsters.

My world is a different place now, and I don't think I'll ever feel the same.

[–] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 5 points 11 hours ago

And then they wonder why I try to escape from the reality.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I know. I have flat Werther's in my family. Real life people who think the earth is flat in 2025. Like did anyone think this is where we would be growing up.

[–] ne0phyte@feddit.org 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Tell me more about these flat Werther's, I've only had the Werther's Original so far.

[–] eyelevel@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

It's not too different from the original, just about 6000 years old.

Not as malicious but covid opened my eyes up

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

It's stupidity and immaturity more than maliciousness, at least in the case of the US lumpen. The results might be more or less the same but the reframing helps with living in this world and believing in people's 'well-meaning nature'.

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[–] 4grams@awful.systems 75 points 23 hours ago (5 children)

Without a doubt this is the worst part. It was an immediate and irreversible swing from being an optimist who believes in the good of people to the complete opposite. I now believe humanity is fundamentally flawed and will destroy itself.

Watched too much Star Trek as a kid I guess.

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

I used to think similarly. The outright hatred, apathy, hostility... its sickening.

But I stand by Mr. Rogers' message. Look for the helpers.

Humanity has always grappled with its angels and demons. No fictional evil could ever compare to the cruelty and apathy of real humans being real shit. But despite all that, humans keep trying, and have always kept trying.

This isn't the worst it's ever been. This isn't even the worst it's been here. This isn't even the worst it's been, here, in living memory.

If you know someone over the age of 60, you know someone older than the civil rights act.

Even in a life where discrimination wasn't possible so much as it was fundamental in society, John Lewis and MLK Jr. still had faith in humanity. They still believed in its potential. They still had faith in the face of all of that hatred and ignorance. Faith that a better nation and a better future could be forged in their lifetimes.

And you know what? They were right.

Even today, with all of these threats to return to a time when America was "great"... even now, this is still a better nation than the America of 1963. That is undeniable truth, and it is in large part thanks to heroes like them.

If they could believe in the potential of humanity, I think it's arrogant of us to disagree.

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[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 31 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I once proudly said "when the internet is cheap and easy, everyone will have full access to all information and it will be effortlessly easy for people to stop believing falsehoods and it'll start a swing towards reason!"

I just want to hug teenage me.

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[–] DogOnKeyboard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

To be fair, when was the last time you had as much fun as this guy?

[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Pretty recently, honestly. Last Thursday the girl I've fallen in love with asked me to be her girlfriend.

[–] modus@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago
[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 10 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

that guy isn't having fun, he's having a manic episode with violent fantasies.

nobody with that look in their eyes is in control of themselves.

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[–] Alph4d0g@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I think it's about time that the progressives start pandering to the dumbass class. Promising to do all sorts of dumbass and unconstitutional things and then supporting actual progressive policy when they get into office.

If this worked for the current Manchurian dumbass candidate - progressives can surely get their deception game in order.

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[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 161 points 1 day ago (11 children)

They were always here.

I escaped from the south to the coasts, but I always tried to warn people how vile the worst of us were.

Nobody coukd believe it, but remember, Hitler wrote about the south as the model for Germany in mein kampf, and the nazis copied the Nuremberg Laws from Jim crow almost verbatim.

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[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 7 points 16 hours ago

The guy with the Trump tatoo looks like the typical guy who gets a 23&ME saying he's actually part Mexican.

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 7 points 16 hours ago

Face flag looks like a fun bar guy though. Maybe he's just stupid?

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 94 points 1 day ago (8 children)
[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 70 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (18 children)

It didn't take Trump to make this real for me.

I remember how our country treated Muslims after 9/11. I remember how we treated people with AIDS and HIV when I was little. Right now I'm watching Nazi salutes on national TV and no one's getting punched even though the room is packed with the supposed opposition, and the people who consider themselves progressive are unironically enjoying people's families inability to afford food staples.

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[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 3 points 13 hours ago

Unfortunately, realization is amazingly escapable.

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