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[–] peregrin5@lemm.ee 60 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"Basket of Deplorables" -- as I'm tired of repeating, Hilary was right.

[–] DrBob@lemmy.ca 54 points 1 day ago (1 children)

She was. She was John the Baptist but wanted to be Jesus. Opinion on her was fully established so even if she was 45% positive you could never move the dial on the 6% you needed to push her over the top.

She would have been an outstanding attack dog for a fresh candidate if she could have put her ego aside and accept that it wouldn't be her.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 day ago (4 children)

She was trying to follow eight years of Obama that had primed an electorate for a radical change candidate. She was not going to be that and in fact personified that her Party would unfortunately not be the one to change.

[–] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago (2 children)

She was also a terrible candidate in the same way Kamala was, which is something people still don’t accept. They both had terrible PR and were establishment pro-corporate candidates. Those two features guaranteed they wouldn’t extend past their base. At the time Bernie was offering a populist agenda, which is what Trump used to win both times. The DNC still to this day cannot shed corporate influence enough to do what’s necessary to win.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago

The word populous is hardly unspecific, but a lot of what Bernie Sanders wants his popular and if you run a candidate with roughly his platform they would win no problem. Neoliberal Centerists have no appeal anymore, it's completely dead as an ideology

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is it. I never got it until I read this. Obama was a work horse president. He actually overcame the conservative ratchet system and turned the dial towards liberal. He made the ACA and it was overall decent, even Conservatives liked it. They hate Obamacare if you mention it and want it destroyed, but will not want anything to happen to the ACA.

Hillary just didn't bring this vibe. I believe she was just a republican in democrat skin that was being put forward. Kamala gave me that same vibe.

We need to hear some batshit crazy stuff. The next democratic president needs break rules using executive orders just like Trump did. Abolish Citizens United and then arrest any judge that dares rule against the order, all the way up to the SCOTUS ... it seems the president has this authority now.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's a good idea. Abuse the rules and offer the compromise that you will stop as long as all the changes they made are kept permanent and a constitutional amendment is passed that limits the power of the presidency and important ways, like saying that the president can be charged with a crime and that anyone who is or has ever been the president can never receive a pardon

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, this is what is needed .. but only if we actually get another actual election.

[–] SpaceShort@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago

And if they deny one. Time for mass protests. Block the streets. Shut down the economy. Storm government buildings. Keep escalating until democracy is restored.

[–] peregrin5@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

arrest any judge that dares rule against the order, all the way up to the SCOTUS ... it seems the president has this authority now.

Just because the other side is doing this, this is not where we want to be as a country. The country would devolve into non-existence if both sides were acting as lawlessly as Republicans are now. What needs to happen is they need to face real consequences for breaking our democracy as much as they have been.

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

It's what has to happen. They MUST realize that it works both ways. The time for being "nice" and compromising is past. Republicans are ALL thieves and criminals.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

She said she'd have a map room to fight climate change. She declared fucking war on climate change. You know that big existential issue that all the leftists say they care about and would surely turn out for, right?

[–] scintilla@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

I mean leftists also care about her being a "war hawk" and that didn't help her image.

[–] DrBob@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Nobody else seems to remember the Hillary is 44 movement. It was an early version of foreign mischief and tried to do to the left what the Tea Party did to the right.

When I said she was John the Baptist I was actually thinking of her first run at president when she and John McCain were doing vodka shots in Moscow laughing about how one of them was going to be president.

She could have been a herald for a rejuvenation of the Democrats with a younger face. Instead she fought it all the way down.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, she wasn't.

If they hadn't rigged the primary for her, we never would have had a Trump.

[–] SpaceShort@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not sure why this is downvoted. Almost all superdelegates already lined up for her at the start of the campaign and she already had an agreement with the DNC to control the party's finances and strategy in exchange for fundraising.