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I know we're living in the crapsack timeline, but I didn't realize it was a crapsack made of little shit people that the Republicans sculpted like they were Play-Doh and then threw them in the sack and made screaming noises, pretending the little shit people were screaming, before declaring that sack to be their new second-in-command after Trump.

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[-] uphillbothways@kbin.social 142 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They put a far right super majority in the supreme court, are trying to put their candidate in Congress as speaker and then re-elect him to the executive branch.

We all know they're fucking Nazis, but just saying this sure seems like some 1930's Germany shit, right now. Like it's obvious and all, but still needs to be said out loud.

Would be a lot cooler if we were not trying to replicate that shit.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 95 points 9 months ago

If elected speaker, he would be third in line to the presidency. They were already ready to kill Trump's own VP on his behalf.

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 20 points 9 months ago

On the bright side, he can't claim executive immunity or pardon himself if he was selected to be Speaker, since the legislative branch does not confer the same level of such protections, and he wouldn't be able to campaign as much, since he would have to do actual work.

On top of that, he would have a much smaller megaphone, much less power, and he would be a live-in distraction for the true believers in Congress.

Basically, he'd have to successfully assassinate two members of the executive branch who are around and guarded by numerous people at all times.

[-] Zekas@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Bold of you to assume he wouldn't just golf all the time anyway. Being president obviously posed little hindrance.

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[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

He won't become speaker he got to many legal problems and it takes away from him campaigning so we safe for now.

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[-] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 85 points 9 months ago

If there is something dumb to be done it's guaranteed the MAGA Trumpers are gonna do it.

[-] seaQueue@lemmy.world 47 points 9 months ago

"Let's make President Drink-Bleach our speaker!"

What could possibly go wrong?

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

President Drink-Bleach

That would have saved us all so much trouble.

[-] seaQueue@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Sadly our timeline doesn't get democracy on easymode, we get to deal with the problem the hard way.

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[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 57 points 9 months ago

He is disqualified due to the 14th amendment.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 61 points 9 months ago

They don't care.

[-] abff08f4813c@kbin.social 54 points 9 months ago

Also, specific to the role of Speaker, he’s disqualified due to having been indicted of felonies with a term of more than two years.

[-] Jimbob0i0@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

Technically that's just a GOP rule... and we know what their reaction is to things like that...

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

He shoild be, but so far the courts so far have disagreed, and the SCOTUS declined to hear the case until more lower courts have ruled. Until he's convicted, it's unlikely that he will be pre-emptively disqualified from holding office.

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

The Constitution does not state the individual has to be convicted. They only had to aid in any way, shape, or form an insurrection, which he did.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

I agree with you, but so far the courts have not. Remember that the courts consist of judges who may or may not have allegiances or prejudices that influence their reading of the constitution. So while we can agree we both think Trump should be disqualified by the letter of the law, we cannot know for sure that he will be disqualified. If he is convicted of seditious conspiracy, then the pathway becomes much clearer.

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[-] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 14 points 9 months ago

A conviction would generally be seen as what establishes the fact that the person has done that act.

Which is probably for the best. I'd remind you that plenty of Americans right now would say that Biden has committed treason of some kind, so it's probably a good thing that there's a formal legal process for this.

[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

It’s not clear just yet that the law applies to him, in general.

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

My State of Colorado doesn't care about the court, we are going to ban him from the ballot.

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[-] Drusas@kbin.social 23 points 9 months ago

Well yeah, he wants to be second in line for the presidency so that his degenerate followers can perform some strategic assassinations and put him in the presidency.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago
[-] Drusas@kbin.social 5 points 9 months ago

You can't deny it's a distinct possibility.

[-] clearedtoland@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

A speaker needs to be able to speak coherent sentences…

There is nobody better than Trump at willing his own reality into existence. He teases some absurd idea then lets the subconscious of his MAGA fanbase bring it to life. I’m torn between disbelief and “of course they’re legitimately thinking about this.”

[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

A speaker needs to be able to speak coherent sentences…

Lol where have you been? Competence are no longer requirements for office

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

Lmao. I can see it already. He thinks he can be speaker and President.

[-] TechyDad@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Then he just needs to appoint himself as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and become the President of the Senate to fulfill his dream of running the entire government.

(Not doing any work, mind you. Just holding all the positions of power at once.)

[-] space_gecko@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Not yet

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[-] TrippaSnippa@aussie.zone 5 points 9 months ago

Then he just needs to appoint himself as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and become the President of the Senate to fulfill his dream of running the entire government.

Our former prime minister actually did something like this. He secretly appointed himself as health minister, finance minister, industry minister, home affairs minister and treasurer. It was quite a big scandal that only came out after the election that kicked out his government and threw a lot of ministerial decisions made during that time into legal doubt, though nothing ended up coming from it.

Morrison was a lazy shit and only used his secret ministerial powers a few times, he just wanted to have the power for himself. His stated reason was "in case the existing ministers became incapacitated by COVID", but we already have assistant ministers that could fill in if that happened.

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[-] watson387@sopuli.xyz 16 points 9 months ago

Oh they definitely are all giant sentient bags of shit for sure.

[-] fruitleatherpostcard@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago

I think ‘sentient’ is WAAAAAAYYY too generous.

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[-] Endorkend@kbin.social 5 points 9 months ago

Bags of shit are useful.

They aren't.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

LOL, donnie calling anyone else a traitor.

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[-] ivanafterall@kbin.social 14 points 9 months ago

The speaker of the house isn't just the guy who talks a lot, Donnie.

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[-] StarServal@kbin.social 13 points 9 months ago

That’s rich (unlike Trump) calling someone else a traitor.

[-] paddirn@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Can the House have a Speaker who isn’t an elected official? Has that ever happened before where the Speaker of the House wasn’t a Representative?

[-] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 9 months ago

Afaik it's not explicitly ruled out by the Constitution, though it's never been done. It would be very unorthodox, especially if the speaker were in prison.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 12 points 9 months ago

It can happen. However, it is generally not done because the House wants to be in charge of itself.

[-] paddirn@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

This was the first article I was able to find, as the question has apparently come up as recently as after John Boehner vacated the position: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/can-outsider-be-speaker-house-n441926

" The Constitution is silent on that question, saying simply, "The House of Representatives shall chuse (sic) their Speaker and other Officers."

The Clerk of the House agrees with the office of the House Historian, which says the speaker "has always been (but is not required to be) a House Member."

Most historians and legal experts who've looked at this issue conclude the founders simply assumed the speaker would be drawn from among elected members.

"It would have been unthinkable for the most populous house not to have its leader be part of the representatives who were elected by the people," says David Forte, a constitutional scholar at Cleveland State University.

"Nothing fits that would make the speaker anything other than a member of the house," except for the Constitution's silence on the issue, Forte says, noting that the Articles of Confederation said members of Congress shall have authority "to appoint one of their members to preside." "

Gotta love how the vagueness of the Founding Fathers is cause for serious debate after they just assumed something was obvious.

[-] Speculater@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Welcome to why we have a mass shooting everyday. A comma and poof, no more well regulated required.

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[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 months ago

Uh didn’t he explicitly say that he wasn’t interested in the speakership like a day or two ago? That was a quick about-face.

[-] flossdaily@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Can you even imagine the Democrats worshipping a candidate who was found liable for rape, liable for fraud, and who was out on bail for several incredibly serious crimes, for which there is overwhelming evidence of his guilt on the public record?

Republicans are disgusting. They are a cancer. The whole party is full of the most anti-American, anti-basic-decency traitors the world has ever seen.

[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Excellent. Goodbye functioning government and goodbye swing district GOP congressmen/women.

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[-] Pratai@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago

He sure loves playing pretend.

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