China's real youth unemployment rate could actually be close to 50% - more than double the official rate : worldnews

[-] bear_delune@beehaw.org 41 points 1 year ago

Unemployment is such a weird metric. If supported externally; high unemployment should be a goal no?

Whats the comparative poverty rate?

I don’t get why we just keep inventing bullshit jobs when we could just let people be humans

[-] Fenzik@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Unemployment generally only measures the percentage of people who are seeking work but unable to find it. Those who don’t work because they are otherwise taken care of aren’t usually counted. That’s actually the source of the discrepancy in the article so the headline is bs imo.

I’m all for reducing our working hours as a population though. More productivity should equal less work, not more GDP

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 3 points 1 year ago

You also have the issue of what to do with NEET young adults. What happens if a large class of people are created that don't have a way to contribute to the economy? How are they going to be able to interact with the economy as they are going to be given the lowest social status due to their lack of work?

[-] Fenzik@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

People shouldn’t have the lowest social status just because they don’t work, that’s the thing. We should take care of everyone’s basic needs and let people work on things they are passionate about, instead of simply treating with poverty those that don’t participate.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 year ago

It is going to be hard explaining to the janitor in a job that isn't what they are passionate about that some one gets the same pay and respect as they do, but have a job they like.

[-] APassenger@lemmy.one 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Did you read the article before posting?

There are descriptions of embittered and/or depressed youth. They are not describing young people so well cared for (by the state) that they are opting out.

And older family will eventually perish or cease to have the means. Something must take the place to ensure production at certain levels.

Also: fewer hours per job, with an unchanging workload would lead to more jobs. Not fewer. Unless automation, computing or improved engineering lower the overall effort.

Edit to add one more point: China is Capitalist. The land use thing is communist, but fundamentally they went capitalist decades ago. The notion that they're doling out buckets of money to people mystifies me (building unnecessary infrastructure is a job).

If someone has a source or refutation, I'll click and read, but until then I'll run with what I find.

[-] 14specks@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

They should clarify for themselves I guess, but by my reading they were commenting on the general topic of "unemployment metrics" rather than the specific situation in the article. If that's the case it'd be a different discussion entirely.

I'd hope that people understand that the PRC doesn't have a robust social safety net as it stands currently.

[-] TheAgeOfSuperboredom@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

This! Every election is about politicians who want to create jobs. I want to vote for someone who wants us to have less jobs! I thought technology was supposed to make us more productive for more free time.

[-] 14specks@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Before that can happen, we (as the non-ownership class) need to shift away from the capitalist mode of production, into a more advanced economy. On a global scale this is incredibly difficult, since the United States has a hegemonic influence over global economic affairs, and has been hostile to any states that attempt to subvert the capitalist mode. This is kinda sorta beginning to wane, but it'll be a couple decades still until we see some real progress IMO.

[-] TheAgeOfSuperboredom@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Yep, I guess what I'm saying is that as long as people keep voting for "creating more jobs", it'll be difficult to get there. Voting for more jobs includes the whole ethos around those jobs being owned by a handful of people.

I may not live to see it but I'll keep trying to push that direction when I can!

[-] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

That is what I was thinking, specially if it is the youth. Let the youth study and enjoy, not work.

[-] hahattpro@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Well, that how China can offer cheap labor.

[-] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 12 points 1 year ago

I would kill for the wage increases the average Chinese person has seen over the last decade.

[-] Bondrewd@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Then move to China :) You can become an average Chinese person tomorrow, see how that turns out for you.

[-] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

You wish, it is not easy moving to China, otherwise I would have done it already. T.T

[-] iridaniotter@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Immigrants to China can't become citizens FYI. Dumb argument.

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

Average white guy in a Chinese city lives the life.

The real problem is in some of the poorer rural areas and low-tier cities.

[-] nxfsi@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Fun fact: The waiting time for organ transplants in China is about an order of magnitude shorter than in the rest of the world. This is purely because of China's large population and not because of any other reason at all.

[-] hahattpro@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I thought it because China have organ black market. But it is totally false news. Thank you for your clarification

[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 2 points 1 year ago

High quality uyghur organs sourced directly from healthy, if not a bit rebellious, individuals. Might be slightly cursed by the ghost of the original owner though.

I can't believe people are willing to put an organ from a person specifically murdered for said organ. I'd rather die than live with that.

[+] RobinnV@discuss.online 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There are plenty of testimonies and allegations if you search the internet:

Organ Harvesting from Uyghurs: Evidence Grows, the U.S. Reacts: https://bitterwinter.org/organ-harvesting-from-uyghurs-evidence-grows-the-u-s-reacts/
Doctor testifies to China's reuse of prisoners' organs : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1172655/
Organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners in China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China
Killing prisoners for transplants: Forced organ harvesting in China: https://theconversation.com/killing-prisoners-for-transplants-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china-161999

[-] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Falun Gong is a cult that believes that following their religion makes your body physically healthier because it aligns the metaphysical energies of your body in a special way. This they say means they have the juciest most bestest organs that the Chinese government wants because they're the BEST GOD DAMN ORGANS around, which is why they actively spread this myth. All of your above sources cite the Falun Gong, or claim that it happened to the Falun Gong such as in your second link:

“Usually these Falun Gong practitioners were injected with a shot to cause heart failure. During the process these people would be pushed into operating rooms to have their organs removed,”

I strongly urge you to watch this video. It is not a pro-china source, it is a liberal source. I think you might come away from it with many questions and when you start realising that literally every single one of these is coming from, or about, or linked to falun gong in some way it becomes impossible to ignore what the source is.

[-] ItsMeSpez@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Wow, this is a rabbit hole and a half. I really can't agree with you though that all those sources are from the Falun Gong, as many of them talk about this same practice being performed on Uyghurs. Also many of those sources are from doctors who performed the harvests, not from Falun Gong members talking about how it's happening. A lot of the evidence is circumstantial, pointing to the fact that the Chinese transplant industry boomed in the early 2000s with no real explanation of where all these organs came from. There are no corresponding increases in voluntary donations, and the speed at which these organs are delivered suggests a sort of on demand execution and harvest system.

It's important to note, the Falun Gong being a cult really doesn't have any bearing on whether or not China is executing political dissidents for organs to fuel their massive transplant industry. Both "the Falun Gong is a crazy cult" and "China is executing prisoners and selling their organs" can be true.

[-] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

>I really can’t agree with you though that all those sources are from the Falun Gong

I can connect all of your sources to an obsession with Falun Gong incredibly easily.

First link: Google the author, Ruth Ingram. This is a fake name used to spread literally nothing but organ harvesting content that ALL mentions Falun Gong.

Second link: Wang Guoqi's claim is solely about Falun Gong.

Third link: Is just a wikipedia page so we should be tossing this out anyway. Several citations are Falun Gong though.

Fourth link: Relies mainly on presenting ChinaTribunal as a legitimate court tribunal by real courts when it is in fact a propaganda outlet. This "independent tribunal" gets presented as such and its conclusion is dadadadadadadaaaaa - that Falun Gong members are the primary source of organs that China harvests. It then vaguely connects this to Uighurs later in the article but offers literally zero evidence, only accusations.

You will not find anything on this topic that you can disconnect from Falun Gong. It is impossible because Falun Gong is the source of it. I can stick around and enjoy going down this rabbit hole with you though if you want to try, I am quite happy to be a wall you bounce things off, it's pretty crazy.

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[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Citing Falun Gong for anything is like citing Scientology for anything. In fact, Scientology is probably more legitimately useful to society.

FWIW Falun Gong advocates for supporting Trump and is anti-vaccine.

[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 1 points 1 year ago

Wait, I feel like I missed something here. You surely don't meant just because falun gong is a cult it justifies the all those killing and organ harvesting?

[-] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You're missing the point. It's made up by Falun Gong. Because a core component of their uhh... Recruitment... Is making up myths like this that make it look like the Chinese government confirms that following Falun Gong makes you healthier because they want to harvest their healthy healthy top grade organs.

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

The killing and organ harvesting that Falun Gong claims to have happened? QAnon claims that Trump prevented a coup from Obama and Clinton and fought a cabal of pedophiles.

Cults are built on lies. Why would you trust anything a cult says? They lie about everything.

[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 1 points 1 year ago

QAnon didn't receive attention from the UN though, so falun gong case carry more weight.

If you say falun gong organ harvesting didn't happen, why don't you (or other people in this thread that keep denying it) provide any source to prove your point instead of downvoting?

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Here's a question: can you even name another Asian cult?

Turns out, a mostly Western construct whose leadership is mostly dominated by the West doesn't understand Eastern culture. No one worth a damn in Eastern countries gives a fuck about what Falun Gong says.

If you want a real human rights violation to be outraged by, look at the Muslim crackdown in China. That has actual, verifiable evidence.

[-] 133arc585@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

If you say falun gong organ harvesting didn’t happen, why don’t you (or other people in this thread that keep denying it) provide any source to prove your point instead of downvoting?

How do you expect someone to prove a negative? What sort of evidence would you like that proves that something didn't happen?

[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 2 points 1 year ago

Same way like people accused of murder and organ harvesting defending themselves. Prove that those people are still alive, autopsy proof that the deceased still have their organ intact, etc. Am I supposed to just take your word as truth without asking for proof? That would make just as bad as antivaxers or climate change deniers.

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

You want someone to... prove a negative? I bet you also believe in God, huh?

[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 1 points 1 year ago

All I ask is a reputable source that say all those horrible stuff didn't happen and so far none of you provides one except for downvotes.

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Would you also like a reputable source claiming God doesn't exist?

[-] Blursty@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Please stop spreading this conspiracy theory garbage.

[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I guess we have a different opinion on what constitutes "conspiracy theory garbage". When multiple reliable sources, including various government agencies, raised the same issue, I think that's a good enough signal to indicate that the issue is not "conspiracy theory garbage". I'm actually interested to know why you think the organ harvesting issue is a conspiracy garbage?

[-] Blursty@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

There are no reliable sources for this. The only source for all of it is Adrian Zenz a nutcase who says he's been led by god to rid the world of communism and homosexuality and Rushan Abbas, a literal CIA employee who worked as a torturer at Gitmo.

Who are your reliable sources?

[-] forgotmylastusername@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

How are their internet boards looking? I've noticed a kind of weird way to tell what's going on on the street is to observe actions of the population. Brazil has a very high youth unemployment. Most of the edge lord NEET boards are full of Brazilian kids.

[-] iridaniotter@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago

I wonder how this compares to other countries when you use the same broader definition. The article only compared it to overall US unemployment which is useless to be honest.

[-] bigkix@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I doubt comrades in CCP would lie. This post is trying to smear communists.

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