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[–] notheotherguy95@lemmy.world 81 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Capital has the ability to subsume all critiques into itself. Even those who would 'critique' capital end up 'reinforcing' it instead..."

[–] nylo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago

very true detective

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 71 points 1 week ago (4 children)

This is why talking about things like government services just wash over conservatives. I was talking about transit and a common reply I get is "it's not even profitable!". It's intrinsically linked that if it doesn't make money, it's valueless.. it doesn't matter if people use it, or if people need it, if it breaks even, or even if it's designed to run at a slight loss because it's value is more important than profit. People have lost the ability to understand that profit is not always the goal.

[–] vrojak@feddit.org 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The view that public transport is not profitable because it does not directly turn a profit also completely misses the bigger picture. Imagine in a city where public transport operates at a loss, but provides transportation to and from work for loads of people. Without public transport, they'd have to switch to something like cars, causing congestion, causing delays, causing loss of profit for the city as a whole. Not to mention less time spend with your family or your hobbies, causing unhappiness, decreasing people's desire to work to the best of their abilities etc etc. I could probably go on quite a while listing things public transport provides that indirectly works in favor of capitalism.

[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 1 week ago

Not to mention the expenses that cities waste on the consequences of cars, like crashes and infrastructure maintenance.

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[–] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] RagingHungryPanda@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I haven't played it, but is this disco elesium?

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago
[–] CumBroth@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 week ago

Certified Mark Fisher moment.

[–] match@pawb.social 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

don't buy into the illusion that capitalism is so self-organizing and organic. it requires the direct protection and supervision of a nationwide military and a police force -multiple police forces actually - to protect capital.

[–] huppakee@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

you confuse capitalism in general with the concept of a capitalistic nation-state, history has proven over and over that people with almost infinite money will use that money to the buy violent means to not only protect their capital but also to enforce their rule. The purest form of capitalism was never invented or made-up by mankind, it acts as a force of nature like water finding the path of least resistance. The thing is, that in history there have always been multiple owners of wealth (in our times organised in nation-states) competing against each other for power and resources. Because of that it might not seem like this capital is self-organising, but there is definitely a 'law' that makes it so that the person with all the money wins. We should be happy that not all those with wealth (and power) persue wealth (and power) at all costs. In other words, thank god most people care about other things beside money (and power).

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"Oh, you're expecting capitalism to collapse into anarchy? Better BUY lots of food and antibiotics to stockpile for the collapse!"

Grinch smirk

[–] CorvidShaman@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Not the greatest dude, but had a sick quote that sums up this post:

"The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them" - Vladimir Lenin

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
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[–] hertg@infosec.pub 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

"A film like Wall-E exemplifies what Robert Pfaller has called 'interpassivity': the film performs our anti-capitalism for us, allowing us to continue to consume with impunity. The role of capitalist ideology is not to make an explicit case for something in the way that propaganda does, but to conceal the fact that the operations of capital do not depend on any sort of subjectively assumed belief. It is impossible to conceive of fascism or Stalinism without propaganda - capitalism can proceed perfectly well, in some ways better, without anyone making a case for it."

-- Capitalist Realism, Mark Fisher

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[–] Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If a system needs constant growth to survive it will eventually collapse.

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[–] BobTheDestroyer@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Well, things would exist whether you're in a capitalist economic system or not. People would make music and label their genre. People would write books and want to sell them. The real difference is who gets the profits.

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

It's also how driven the profits are. All the choices on the way, are they directed for maximum profit or for good. And many things that are made didn't need to be made, and wouldn't if people didn't care to buy them. The effort instead could have gone into good things.

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[–] wpb@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This ties into the notion of interpassivity. This is when a piece of media perform an action for you (think interactivity, but exactly the opposite). An example is the laugh track on sitcoms. Another is the series or film performing your environmental or anti-capital activism for you. Frequently the bad guy is some big polluting corp, or some evil rich guy who wants to bulldoze the community center to put his Luxury Resort there. You watch the movie, feel all rebellious and sympathetic with the main characters, and go home feeling like you've done something, when in fact all you've done is feed Disney some more money. See also movies like triangle of sadness and the glass onion or whatever.

Mark Fischer's capitalist realism explores this and similar ideas in a much more comprehensive and eloquent manner than I ever could. Give it a read, it's quite short!

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Thanks, I've been trying to remember this term and where I saw this concept for like 2 weeks!

Also, a related concept is recuperation:

The process by which ideas and actions deemed ‘radical’ or oppositional become commodified or absorbed into mainstream society and culture.

Think of the sterile critique of capitalism from the Fallout series (produced by Amazon).

[–] wiLD0@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

When you commodify all the people’s wants and needs, you commodify the people.

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[–] snf@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Black Mirror episode "Fifteen Million Merits" makes this point in a (typically) very chilling way.

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[–] Pharmacokinetics@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (5 children)

How do you fight against it?

[–] Elgenzay@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Buy my anti-capitalism book

[–] humiddragonslayer@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And my anti-capitalism axe

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[–] anamethatisnt@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

On a larger scale? Through organizing and engaging in communities, politics and unions. No one can stop it alone.

On a personal scale?
Stop consuming more than you need. Maintain what you already own. Don't buy it because it's better than what you have, if what you have is already good enough. Buy second hand when you can. Lend and loan with friends when it comes to seldomly used tools.

Buy maintainable stuff instead of the cheap copy that has no repairability (Think of the boots theory and don't get tricked into spending more in the long term just to spend less now).

And the hardest bit would be to stop comparing yourself and your life with that of those around you, I think that the rat race is the main driver of consumption together with all that wealth peacocking.

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[–] Devanismyname@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago

Well, we're leaving capitalism behind and switching back to feudalism. So I guess no more capitalism.

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"But capitalism is so efficient at growing!"

Yeah, but now capitalism has grown out of control:

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[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

meta-capitalist game show idea:

you could do this in about any format. video, podcast, maybe even sets of still images.

The core concept is a bunch of ad reads for your sponsors. the sponsors are the contestants.

you use really good production values, but you get progressively edgier and more hostile to them as the season goes on. the prize is a free ad campaign for the last one to drop out/denounce you.

edit: alternatively, you create a weird contract, and use some sort of auction structure, where they each bid to the others to be the one who can drop out that episode. highest bidder wins and gets off the show, they all (along with some cut for the house, of course) split the money.

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[–] Offandonandoffagain@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Create a problem then sell the solution. Simple as

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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Infinite growth in a finite system is the definition of cancer. And like a cancer it will keep poisoning us, and must be cut out and eradicated.

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[–] espressdelivery@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago

I’ve been really interested in learning how to grow vegetables in my back garden. Somehow I just have this feeling that learning how to care about plants to make food (and not just because it flowers and looks pretty) will open my eyes to thinking about nature and the environment

At the moment, climate collapse is a conceptual issue to me in that “sure the days get warmer every year but it’s actually quite nice for me right now”, but I’m not as in tune with my environment to really notice how it’s impacting us.

Growing veg also feels like it has a higher pay off than just the cost price of a single unit of veg. There’s probably some nutritional benefit to it, knowledge etc that does beyond the price of buying an onion from the shop. I think getting in touch with this principle is the key to getting out of the ruthless capitalism structure

Basically, if we all just stopped buying shit and learnt how to fix and make shit ourselves our experiences of the things we attach ourselves to would be so much more authentic

You don’t have to buy doc martens because you feel like a rebel.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

How much of this is capitalism, and how much of it is just trade?

Bazaars go back 5000 years, about 5000 years before capitalism. If you've ever been to a bazaar or a street market in a developing country, you know they'll try to sell you anything and everything.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

Climate Change really picked up with the Industrial Revolution, alongside Capitalism. The M-C-M' circuit of continuous money growth and rapid expansion of industry was the driving factor, not people simple trading. The obsession with commodifying things previously produced for use, rather than exchange, has had wide-reaching impact.

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[–] geissi@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago

Punk Rock itself is not a product of capitalism.
Album and ticket sales are.

[–] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think capitalism falls neatly into the concept of Moloch.

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[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Well it can't commodify me! Oh wait.

Sorry, I got myself worked up.

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[–] henry1917@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Kid named Guy Debord:

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