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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 49 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

terrorism

n 1: the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear

Well, kind of sounds like textbook terrorism. And to be clear, I'm cheering on these terrorists. This is terrorist on terrorist action and, in my opinion, a fair and fitting response.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 16 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

If that's the definition, then I think it's textbook not at all terrorism. One of the standard definitions of violence, and the one that I agree with, is using force to hurt a person or living being. In other words, you can't use violence against an empty car dealership in the middle of the night. So it's not violent.

The target is the company owned by Elon Musk, and he is a member of the government. In other words, the act of inflammation is a protest against the government, not against civilians.

It depends on the arsonist, but I don't see these acts as ones that are designed to make people fear anything. Rather, they are designed to help people band together and fight against Elon Musk and his evil Nazi ways.

And then you've misidentified the goal. I think one of the goals, other than helping people band together, is to hurt Elon Musk's company economically. Now you might argue that people want to inflict economic costs upon him because of related political goals, but now you're getting into indirect reasoning, which would allow you to argue that anything, any act at all, or not acting in the first place, counts as terrorism.

[–] And009@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 3 hours ago

Depends on the motives and way it happens. That is a valuable perspective but reality could be grim.

[–] fallingcats@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

It's not terrorism if it's not even trying to kill people. That's just destruction of property or arson in this case.

[–] MooseyMoose@lemmy.world 29 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Property damage is not violence against civilians.

[–] red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Anything that's not the state is civilian. That includes civilian property. And I, too, cheer on violence against the oppressive class.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 5 points 5 hours ago

Property is not people though.

Otherwise shorting companies would also be terrorism.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 19 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

What you're missing is Trump includes holding a sign as an "attack"

[–] 4oreman@lemy.lol 6 points 11 hours ago

just put maga on the sign

[–] mrbeano@lemm.ee 100 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 35 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Those are the "goodie" terrorists... The fascists!

He's talking about the "baddie" terrorists... The antifascists!

Their goal is also to normalize political persecution through designating everything antifascist as a crime.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago

Easy. Just run for president and pardon yourself. Duh.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 9 points 12 hours ago

Guess that means they get a free pardon. The opposition should start calling them Patriots & promising them pardons.

[–] petrsimek1712@lemmy.world 10 points 14 hours ago (3 children)
[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 68 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (3 children)

Ken Klippenstein is a well known and well respected journalist.

https://www.kenklippenstein.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Klippenstein

Not trying to be rude, but he should be a good enough source even though this is only a screenshot. Here's a link to the skeet (is that what they're called? gross?):

https://bsky.app/profile/kenklippenstein.bsky.social/post/3lk4te5j6tk24

But if that's not enough here's Reuters corroborating the same point:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-will-buy-new-tesla-show-support-musk-2025-03-11/

Trump says violence against Tesla is domestic terrorism

This took me less than three minutes to search, compile, and post. Cheers.

EDIT: The edits took longer because I'm also a dumbass and make a lot of silly mistakes and typos.

[–] lunarul@lemmy.world 16 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Reuters collaborating the same point

I think you mean corroborating

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I am indeed a dumbass and that is indeed what I meant. *hats off

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 14 hours ago

Casual reminder, fuck Tesla. Fuck Elon. Damn swasticars, and a nazi to boot!

[–] glepswizardhat@lemmy.world 8 points 14 hours ago
[–] wiLD0@lemmy.world 11 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

https://youtu.be/itOd-DplBtA?t=23

https://ground.news/article/trump-says-he-will-label-violence-against-tesla-dealers-domestic-terrorism

...they're harming a great American company

I'd argue that Musk himself is also harming the company by exhibiting behaviors that Tesla's target customers find objectionable. If I didn't know Tesla shareholders better, I would have thought he should have been released from his position as CEO by now.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago

Ken... Klipppenstein..?

The names right there. Maybe one of the most famous journalists in the current, albeit fragmented, era?