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Honestly, I believe that this whole "Team Canada" response to Donald Trump's tariffs is just stupid and it will only end up hurting Canada much more than it would hurt the US. Compared to the US, our economy is so weak that the US wouldn't even care if we put 100% tariffs on all goods coming from the US into Canada or completely stopped buying all goods from the US.

I think that a much better response to Trump's tariffs would be to simply fix the Canadian border and stop relying on a single country for most of our trade. But no, thanks to Justin Trudeau, our parliament is currently prorogued, meaning that we currently can't pass any legislation and actually get to dealing with the problem and the Liberals refuse to un-prorogue parliament to buy time for the Liberals to allow them to choose their leader. Instead of actually solving the problem, they manufacture a crisis out of this whole scenario (when the solution is so simple).

Also, before you start saying that I'm not for Canada, I have to say that I am a Canadian citizen and that I want Canada to do well. I just don't agree with the Liberal "Team Canada" approach.

I also think that while Mark Carney is most likely going to become the leader of the Liberal party and our unelected Prime Minister, he's only going to make things worse for Canada. Here are my reasons:

  1. He and the WEF were behind all of Justin Trudeau's bad policies. For example, it was initially Mark Carney's idea to implement the Carbon Tax, which has only made basically everything much more expensive and it ironically doesn't even help the environment at all. Not only that, but some of the same Liberal ministers who used to support the Carbon Tax are going against it. Mark Carney, however says that he's going to implement a permanent Carbon Tax.

  2. He's a member of the WEF, a group that in my opinion appears on the surface to want to do things like end racism, end world hunger, stop climate change, and stuff like that, but when you dig deeper, they're downright power-hungry communists. For example, the WEF once had this ad (which they now deleted because nobody liked what they were saying), which you can watch here: https://youtu.be/omAk1gMyw7E. They literally say in the beginning "You'll own nothing. And you'll be happy. Whatever you want you'll rent and it'll be delivered by drone". Isn't that literally how ownership was in the USSR, except without the drones? I highly recommend watching the video and paying close attention to what they're saying. They also pride themselves in infiltrating cabinets in various countries including Canada (which I think is the exact definition of foreign interference): https://youtu.be/daE0jthD5F8. Not to mention that Klaus Schwab himself says that Vladimir Putin was educated by the WEF.

  3. There are 2 basic principles for doing a psyop: message amplification and message suppression. Message amplification is basically when a certain message is being amplified, for example by using bots on social media that only say one thing or make the popular news organizations only say only the message that you want them to say. Message suppression is punishing those who give a message opposing yours and/or erasing their messages. I've noticed that there a lot of bots on Mark Carney's Facebook account that basically say positive things about him like "I've previously considered voting Conservative, but after this I've completely changed my mind! Voting for Mark Carney!". You can tell that most of the "people" who say stuff like this on his Facebook account are just bots. In addition, most of the mainstream news media, which is by the way mostly funded by the federal government and therefore have an interest in telling only the message that the government wants them to say, has recently become all pro Mark Carney, while the independent news media (which are not funded by government) are saying a different message. This is screaming psyop for me.

I don't mean to offend anyone here. I'm just voicing my opinion.

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[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago

That's a lot of words for 'bend over and do whatever a nazi wants'

Do you really think it'll stop at tariffs? Do not negotiate with terrorists.

[–] RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca 2 points 17 hours ago

I suspect you grossly underestimate the dependence of the US economy on other countries, and I believe that you grossly misrepresent Carney in regard to the carbon tax (which you also misunderstand) and the WEF (which you assert to be a secretive global cabal of communists, ignoring the real and blatant fascist oligarchy in the US).

Putting all of that aside, Carney is by far the most experienced candidate we've had in decades, and I say this as someone who has lived 5+ decades in this country. And if you don't see the US as an existential threat then you're not seriously considering the magnitude of these events. Whether or not Trump decides to go through with any of it, he has destroyed the US reputation and our alliance for generations. The die is cast, and things will be different. The US is not our friend and may even be considered an enemy now but they are for sure unreliable, unpredictable, and possessing of malicious intent.

And any treasonous Yank sympathizers should just get out before they're put out.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 8 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I couldn't read through your whole post. There are a lot of things you are saying in there that show that you are misinformed.

Starting with the carbon tax. And also with the WEF.

[–] A_Kanuck@lemmy.ml -1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)
[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

About the WEF being power tripping communists.

Wikipedia:

The foundation's stated mission is "improving the state of the world by engaging business, political, academic, and other leaders of society to shape global, regional, and industry agendas".

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The meeting brings together some 3,000 paying members and selected participants – among whom are investors, business leaders, political leaders, economists, celebrities and journalists

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The World Economic Forum and its annual meeting in Davos have received criticism over the years, including allegations of the organization's corporate capture of global and democratic institutions, institutional whitewashing initiatives, [...].

Does that sound like communists to you? Because to me it sounds like oligarchs trying to see how they can "improve" the world to their own benefit. The you'll own nothing and will be happy" part is the dissipent dystopia we're living in right now. We can't afford to own a home so we rent. We don't own our entertainment like music, movies, or video games anymore because they're all on platforms for which we have to pay ad vitam aeternam just to use them. We won't even own our cars soon because they'll come with a subscription for them to function. Etc. It's a capitalist nightmare.

To add to that, your perception of the carbon tax seems to be what the conservatives have been spinning since its inception. Their accusations of the tax investing the cost of living have been exaggerated. The impact on consumers has been minimal. See here

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Okay. Thanks for making a new account to voice your opinion, I'm a little wary but I'll start in good faith. Carney and Freeland have ties to the Canadian government sure, but Carney has better credence to say he is less politically minded and has a resumé filled with global experience, especially in contrast with Poilievre. Meta is a bot on bot platform, so I don't really care what people are saying over there and on Twitter.

With respect to the response to tarriffs, when you say fix the border, I have only one question for you: How many illegal immigrants and how much in illegal drugs does the CBSA, border czar and whatnot need to catch in order to satisfy Trump enough to call off tariffs?

Too little and Trump will say Canada is not doing enough and letting crime slip through. Too much and Trump will insist Canada is still full of crime. And the trade war itself was started over one suitcase worth of fentanyl. Hopefully you can see that accepting the bully's premise on the border is unwinnable for Canada.

[–] droopy4096@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

glaring mistakes in facts like lack of comprehension of what Communism is undermine the argument.

For example:

"You'll own nothing. And you'll be happy. Whatever you want you'll rent and it'll be delivered by drone". Isn't that literally how ownership was in the USSR, except without the drones? "

at the very least you're confusing collective ownership when personally you own nothing but collectively you have free access to everything with "renting" communism precludes monetary relationship in general. Now USSR didn't get there but renting was not on the menu either.

this sounds very much like power hungry capitalists whose entire premise is to restrict ownership to "haves" and force rent on "have not's"... there's more but yeah. Not saying Carney is great or worthy but with twisted facts argument is moot.