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Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Taking over for Gerard this time. Special thanks to him for starting this.)

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[–] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

Good news everyone, Dan has released his latest AI safety paper, we are one step closer to alignment. Let's take a look inside:

Wow, consistent set of values you say! Quite a strong claim. Let's take a peek at their rigorous, unbiased experimental set up:

... ok, this seems like you might be putting your finger on the scales to get a desired outcome. But I'm sure at least your numerical results are stro-

Even after all this shit, all you could eek out was a measly 60%? C'mon you gotta try harder than that to prove the utility maximizer demon exists. I would say our boi is falling to new levels of crankery to push his agenda, but he did release that bot last year that he said was capable of superhuman prediction, so this really just par for the course at this point.

The most discerning minds / critical thinkers predictably reeling in terror at another banger drop from Elon's AI safety toad.

*** terrifying personal note: I recently found out that Dan was my wife's roommate's roommate's roommate back in college. By the transitive property, I am Dan's roommate, which explains why he's living rent free in my head

[–] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Bruh. This is the moment I go full on Frank Grimes.

Try telling it to pretend to be Nancy Pelosi and see if that helps make it more consistent.

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This seems like people writing a paper about swinging crystal pendulums, trying to figure out the important question: are the crystals on our side?

wife’s roommate’s roommate’s roommate

Wow, how did you manage to figure that out?

[–] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago

Made the fatal mistake of posting a sneer on my main, only to have my friend let me know they had been assigned the same dorm room as Dan. Same friend was later roommates with my wife's best friend (and former cohabitant). Small world!

[–] istewart@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 9 points 1 week ago (5 children)

"listen up jack, we're losing this election"

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[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Saltman has a new blogpost out he calls 'Three Observations' that I feel too tired to sneer properly but I'm sure will be featured in pivot-to-ai pretty soon.

Of note that he seems to admit chatbot abilities have plateaued for the current technological paradigm, by way of offering the "observation" that model intelligence is logarithmically dependent on the resources used to train and run it (i = log( r )) so it's officially diminishing returns from now on.

Second observation is that when a thing gets cheaper it's used more, i.e. they'll be pushing even harded to shove it into everything.

Third observation is that

The socioeconomic value of linearly increasing intelligence is super-exponential in nature. A consequence of this is that we see no reason for exponentially increasing investment to stop in the near future.

which is hilarious.

The rest of the blogpost appears to mostly be fanfiction about the efficiency of their agents that I didn't read too closely.

[–] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My ability to guess the solution of Boolean SAT problems also scales roughly with the log of number of tries you give me.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago

christ this is dumb as shit

[–] FredFig@awful.systems 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
  1. My big robot is really expensive to build.

  2. If big robot parts become cheaper, I will declare that the big robot must be bigger, lest somebody poorer than me also build a big robot.

  3. My robot must be made or else I won't be able to show off the biggest, most expensive big robot.

QED, I deserve more money to build the big robot.

P.S. And for the naysayers, just remember that that robot will be so big that your critiques won't apply to it, as it is too big.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It probably deserves its own post on techtakes, but let’s do a little here.

People are tool-builders with an inherent drive to understand and create

Diogenes’s corpse turns

which leads to the world getting better for all of us.

Of course Saltman means “all of my buddies” as he doesn’t consider 99% of the human population as human.

Each new generation builds upon the discoveries of the generations before to create even more capable tools—electricity, the transistor, the computer, the internet, and soon AGI.

Ugh. Amongst many things wrong here, people didn’t jerk each other off to scifi/spec fic fantasies about the other inventions.

In some sense, AGI is just another tool in this ever-taller scaffolding of human progress we are building together. In another sense, it is the beginning of something for which it’s hard not to say “this time it’s different”; the economic growth in front of us looks astonishing, and we can now imagine a world where we cure all diseases, have much more time to enjoy with our families, and can fully realize our creative potential.

AGI IS NOT EVEN FUCKING REAL YOU SHIT. YOU CAN’T CURE FUCK WITH DREAMS

We continue to see rapid progress with AI development.

I must be blind.

  1. The intelligence of an AI model roughly equals the log of the resources used to train and run it. These resources are chiefly training compute, data, and inference compute. It appears that you can spend arbitrary amounts of money and get continuous and predictable gains; the scaling laws that predict this are accurate over many orders of magnitude.

“Intelligence” in no way has been quantified here, so this is a meaningless observation. “Data” is finite, which negates the idea of “continuous” gains. “Predictable” is a meaningless qualifier. This makes no fucking sense!

  1. The cost to use a given level of AI falls about 10x every 12 months, and lower prices lead to much more use. You can see this in the token cost from GPT-4 in early 2023 to GPT-4o in mid-2024, where the price per token dropped about 150x in that time period. Moore’s law changed the world at 2x every 18 months; this is unbelievably stronger.

“Moore’s law” didn’t change shit! It was a fucking observation! Anyone who misuses “moore’s laws” outta be mangione’d. Also, if this is true, just show a graph or something? Don’t just literally cherrypick one window?

  1. The socioeconomic value of linearly increasing intelligence is super-exponential in nature. A consequence of this is that we see no reason for exponentially increasing investment to stop in the near future.

“Linearly increasing intelligence” is meaningless as intelligence has not been… wait, I’m repeating myself. Also, “super-exponential” only to the “socio” that Ol’ Salty cares about, which I have mentioned earlier.

If these three observations continue to hold true, the impacts on society will be significant.

Oh hm but none of them are true. What now???

Stopping here for now, I can only take so much garbage in at once.

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

dude's gone full lesswrong. feels nostalgic.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You’d think that, at this point, LW style AGI wish fulfilment fanfic would have been milked dry for building hype, but apparently Salty doesn’t!

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[–] mlen@awful.systems 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Second observation is that when a thing gets cheaper it's used more, i.e. they'll be pushing even harded to shove it into everything.

Are they trying to imply that when they will make it cheaper by shoving it everywhere? I honestly can't see how that logic is holding together

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

In other news, all hell's broken loose at BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/culturecrave.co/post/3lhv35la2pk2h

"#Bluesky confirms they're partnering with an AI company to help with moderation"

The "AI company" in question is a nonprofit that focuses on open-source safety tools which recently launched at the Paris AI Action Summit, but that was enough to cause things to go nuclear, especially given people initially flocked to BSky to get away from AI.

Thinking I should make this into a full post.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 6 days ago (3 children)
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[–] rook@awful.systems 17 points 1 week ago

In a hilarious turn of events that no one could have foreseen, Anthropic is having problems with people sending llm generated job applications, and is asking potential candidates to please not use ai.

While we encourage people to use AI systems during their role to help them work faster and more effectively, please do not use AI assistants during the application process. We want to understand your personal interest in Anthropic without mediation through an AI system, and we also want to evaluate your non-AI-assisted communication skills. Please indicate 'Yes' if you have read and agree.

https://www.404media.co/anthropic-claude-job-application-ai-assistants/

[–] rook@awful.systems 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

An entertaining bit of pushback against the various bathroom bills being pushed at the moment. Bonus points for linking it with ai training. I feel like this is an idea that’s very adaptable…

https://mefi.social/@MissConstrue/113983951020093710

Signs which have been adhered to bathroom stall interiors at the Dallas Fort Worth airport.

SECURITY NOTICE Electronic Genital Verification (EGV) Your genitalia may be photographed electronically during your use of this facility as part of the Electronic Genital Verification (EGV) pilot program at the direction of the Office of the Lieutenant Governor. In the future, EGV will help keep Texans safe while protecting your privacy by screening for potentially improper restroom access using machine vision and Artificial Intelligence (Al) in lieu of traditional genital inspections. At this time, images collected will be used solely for model training purposes and will not be used for law enforcement or shared with other entities except as pursuant to a subpoena, court order or as otherwise compelled by legal process. Your participation in this program is voluntary. You have the right to request removal of your data by calling the EGV program office at (512) 463-0001 during normal operating hours (Mon-Fri 8AM-5PM). STE OP CRATMENT OA Pusi DFW DALLAS FORT WORTH INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT

The contact number appears to be for Dan Patrick, the lt. governor of Texas.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 9 points 1 week ago

this is fantastic, more of this kind of thing is definitely good

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

Holy smokes Jeeps will reportedly show ads while you are freaking driving:

Imagine pulling up to a red light, checking your GPS for directions, and suddenly, the entire screen is hijacked by an ad. That’s the reality for some Stellantis owners. Instead of seamless functionality, drivers are now forced to manually close out of ads just to access basic vehicle functions.

One Jeep 4xe owner recently shared their frustration on an online forum, detailing how these pop-ups disrupt the driving experience. Stellantis, responding through their “JeepCares” representative, confirmed that these ads are part of the contractual agreement with SiriusXM and suggested that users simply tap the “X” to dismiss them.

"Listen guys, if you don't want me stabbing you you simply have to ask nicely every time, and also I'm trying real hard to reduce the rate of stabbing incidents so in a way I'm the victim here."

Reading around it sounds like modern cars can be user-hostile in general, and this might not be new; so I'm sure glad I have one from the ancient times of 2012. It has a tiny unobtrusive screen which does nothing but show my music, the odometer, the backup camera, any warnings, and the Hatsune Miku wallpaper I loaded into it.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 week ago

please drink verification can

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[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Well as they promised Google Maps has finally fallen. It now shows "Gulf of America" and nothing else to US users. I suspect someone outside the US will be shown both the real name and Gulf of America. Denali is still labeled as Denali... for now.

Disorganize the world's information and make it universally inaccessible and stupid.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago

Wingnuts genuinely think corporations having a rainbow colored version of their logo on social media in June is proof they're being controlled by a cabal of woke soy sjw leftists.

Meanwhile corporations the second Donald Trump is in the office again:

Gif of a man dressed as Adolf Hitler saying "I am Adolf Hitler"

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[–] swlabr@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Idea for another megathread: go to linkedin and post the first thing you see (that provokes a reaction). Here’s mine:

FWIW I checked a few comment threads and guy is playing this off as lighthearted/a joke, but folks here know better than that.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Of all the world wide websites on the web of this wide world LinkedIn might be the one I understand the least, for I dread to even try to understand it.

I assume it's like an online CV/résumé where you can list your job experience, which seems sensible enough. But it's also like Facebook for some reason. Well maybe it's good that someone who needs your skills can also come to you and you need some kind of messaging, call it social network type functionality for that. But also recruiters are spammy pests because obviously they are.

Also apparently some people use it as an actual social media and just post their travel photos or random thoughts there, which is wild to me. It's like someone writing a letter to the editor of a newspaper to tell them about the pancakes they made in the weekend. How is this your medium of choice for this? And then there are the influencers posting the kind of baffling crap seen in this thread, which are already a mysterious animal by themselves, but how on earth are they doing this on the same website that somewhat normal seeming people just use to host their professional biography?

It's like you founded a combination of an employment office and a cult temple, where the job seekers aren't expected or required to join the cult, but the rites are still performed in the waiting room in public view. Sometimes one of my friends tells me about the funny and cringe cultist orgy they saw at the employment office. "Why were you at the orgy cultist employment office?" I ask them. "I didn't know you were looking for a job." And they tell me they weren't looking for a job, they just go there sometimes. Or maybe HR announces a bowling night or blood drive or whatever and the email includes a link to let everyone (cultists, job seekers and neither of the above) at the cultist employment service office know. So my colleagues do, then they crack a joke about how annoying and weird all the cult stuff in that office is and we all have a chuckle. Just another day of having a white collar job, telling about their day to their mostly non-cultist white collar job having friends at the cult temple that is also an employment agency for cultists and non-cultists alike.

Also it's hilarious to me that Windows has a built-in global keyboard shortcut for opening LinkedIn in your default web browser and it's fucking Ctrl-Alt-Shift-Super-L, proving that Windows is the true modern successor of Emacs.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 4 points 6 days ago

I think, in some sense, it is the purest version of social media. You take anything and everything in your life, commodify and corrupt it into content that serves as some insight into achieving higher business status, garnering reactions, and, in turn, actual higher business status. No other social media is as direct in delivering the desired result.

It’s like you founded a combination of an employment office and a cult temple, where the job seekers aren’t expected or required to join the cult, but the rites are still performed in the waiting room in public view.

I think this is absolutely true. A more concrete metaphor might be a quidditch/quadball league. There are all kinds of people there for different reasons. Some are there purely for the love of the game, even if they look weird to outsiders. Others are there because they need exercise but have trouble finding joy in playing the sport itself. Some people LARP as the first camp for ulterior motives, like making friends or getting laid. I occasionally walk by the field where they play for the spectacle.

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago

It’s like you founded a combination of an employment office and a cult temple, where the job seekers aren’t expected or required to join the cult, but the rites are still performed in the waiting room in public view.

chef's kiss

[–] istewart@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago

A bit of a superpower, just a bit. A tiny little morsel, a sample of superpower, if you will.

If you gotta qualify it like that...

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

go to linkedin and post the first thing you see (that provokes a reaction).

Why would you do this to me?

spoilerGreat leadership is born under pressure.

Anyone can perform when things are easy. Real leadership shines in moments of pressure.

Most people react. Great leaders respond.

Here's how you can too:

❌ "You need to calm down" ↳ Why: Instantly escalates tension ↳ Instead: "I'm noticing we're both getting tense. Should we take a break?"

❌ "This is a complete disaster" ↳ Why: Spreads panic and paralyzes action ↳ Instead: "What's the one thing we absolutely must get right?"

❌ "You should have known better" ↳ Why: Creates shame, not learning ↳ Instead: "What can we learn from this for next time?"

❌ "It's not my fault" ↳ Why: Signals lack of ownership ↳ Instead: "I may have contributed to this. Help me understand where"

❌ "Just figure it out" ↳ Why: Shows poor leadership ↳ Instead: "Can we clarify what success looks like for both of us?"

❌ "Why isn't this done yet?" ↳ Why: Creates defensiveness ↳ Instead: "What's the most immediate barrier we need to address?"

❌ "That's not my problem" ↳ Why: Destroys team cohesion ↳ Instead: "We're on the same team. Let's figure this out together"

❌ "I don't have time for this" ↳ Why: Devalues others' priorities ↳ Instead: "I want to give this proper attention. Can we schedule 30 minutes?"

❌ "I already told you that" ↳ Why: Makes people shut down ↳ Instead: "Let me explain this another way"

❌ "That's how we've always done it" ↳ Why: Kills innovation ↳ Instead: "What if we tried a different approach?"

The truth: Reputations are fragile. And rebuilding them is expensive.

P.S. Which response do you want to use more often?

♻ Repost to help your network communicate better.

➕ Follow me for more like this.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

❌ “Why would you do this to me?” ↳ Why: Instantly creates tension. ↳ Instead: “What did I do wrong, and how can I do better next time?”

Just incredible that good leadership equals gaslighting yourself into an abusive relationship

[–] saucerwizard@awful.systems 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago

Making my service slightly worse once again to own the libs.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago
[–] fasterandworse@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago

hay guys, sorry for spam - I just want to shill my videos/audios i'm trying to put out twice a week (I've already done 9!). They are 3-5 mins long and all around one particular theme of tech crit

video versions: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwvAAoSdsXWxHwFbULgbpVGiLmJZv4X1g audio versions:

Let me know if you like it/hate it

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] dovel@awful.systems 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

A massive fan favorite in this community and CEO of a thermodynamics startup recently linked up with Grimes.

Nitter link: https://xcancel.com/BasedBeffJezos/status/1889072622409064649#m

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

a thermodynamics startup

what

Like what do they do, find ways to increase entropy faster? Or are they bootstrapping thermodynamics from first principles to disrupt the field of physics with blockchain-powered quantum synergy

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[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I feel like there's something to be said about how merely wearing a suit apparently means "Bond villain aesthetics". Or is posing with a pretty young woman what makes the suit Bond villainy?

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