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[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No I'm not trolling you, I literally do not remember what you asked me to do. I don't care if you asked me 30 seconds ago; I legitimately forgot and I apologize for that.

Yes I know, I should just knock it out now before I forget again, but my low dopamine levels won't let me. No I'm not just being lazy; you might as well ask me to move a mountain. That's just how difficult is for me to complete the most basic of chores. It is completely out of my control, and no amount of Adderall will fix it.

The wife and I have this argument all the time and it drives me crazy.

[–] Stowaway@midwest.social 4 points 6 days ago

How do I upvote a million times?

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

the problems sound similar to "what everyone has" but they arent the same

Yes everyone struggles motivating themselves to do chores but it's not the same when you have adhd.

Yes everyone has trouble concentrating during a boring lecture/lesson but its not the same when you have adhd.

Yes everyone has the urge to buy stuff they don't need, but its not the same when you have adhd.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

so it's those but more of them

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

It's those but so bad it's a disability. Like how just because most people don't hear something from time to time doesn't mean they're all hard of hearing

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

not necessarily more, but more intense. Like it's borderline physically painful sometimes to force myself to do something. It feels like I'm being very cruel to myself for no good reason, its just a dishwasher after all

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

people who have never been depressed tend to think that depression is just laziness

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 days ago

YoU jUsT nEeD sOmE fReSh AiR

[–] sfxrlz@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah it’s always „why don’t you just…“ or „why can’t you „

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago

yeah there are only two reasons why someone doesn't do something and it's because they can't or the don't wanna. If they want to do something but don't it's because they can't and some pedestrian advice like "Just think how much nicer it will feel after you're done" is not gonna help.

[–] null@slrpnk.net 8 points 6 days ago

The amount of misinformation that's out there about it.

Around 50% of TikToks about ADHD are misleading. I feel like we can expect similar results in other social media.

[–] SpaceFox@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No, you don't have ADHD just because you get bored sometimes.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

dont like that approach since mental illnesses are typically underdiagnosed rather than overdiagnosed. If someone says they have adhd they do until proven otherwise.

[–] SpaceFox@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's undiagnosed because you don't have it. Mental health is an extremely complex thing that only somebody with the right qualifications should comment on.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

wow thats hostile, fuck you too buddy

[–] SpaceFox@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I thought I was hostile until proven otherwise?

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

go fuck yourself you piece of shit,

a) I am officially diagnosed dont know why you assumed I wasnt

b) not everyone has equal access to healthcare and might have no choice other than to self-diagnose and medicate any range of illnesses

c) there are systemic issues like e.g. racism, sexism (sexism is double the issue in mental health than it is in physical) paired with the superiority complex of some doctors constantly leads to psychiatrists dismissing and downplaying their struggles and not diagnosing or writing prescriptions a patient needs.

but glad you keyboard warriors who never had to deal with this shit got it all figured out

[–] SpaceFox@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"a) I am officially diagnosed dont know why you assumed I wasnt"

Do you need to be officially diagnosed? You've made it very clear you have the power of Google and YouTube on your side.

"b) not everyone has equal access to healthcare and might have no choice other than to self-diagnose and medicate any range of illnesses"

If you could diagnose yourself you wouldn't need any of those things.

"c) there are systemic issues like e.g. racism, sexism (sexism is double the issue in mental health than it is in physical) paired with the superiority complex of some doctors constantly leads to psychiatrists dismissing and downplaying their struggles and not diagnosing or writing prescriptions a patient needs."

Oh, so now I see. You don't even need doctors because they're racist or something because they didn't give you the diagnosis Google said you had.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago

Do you need to be officially diagnosed?

Helps with access to medication

If you could diagnose yourself you wouldn’t need any of those things.

In a perfect world everyone would have access to what they need, until then a lot of people will have to make do with what they got and if its not a licensed doctor then google will have to do.

Oh, so now I see. You don’t even need doctors because they’re racist or something because they didn’t give you the diagnosis Google said you had.

They did. I am officially diagnosed by a licensed psychiatrist with ADD and I get prescription medication for it. Still don't know why you assume I am not. Yet still there a lot of doctors which are racist, sexist, transphobic and mis- or underdiagnose because of their biases. A white wealthy male doctor might have difficulty relating to a black poor woman and not understand the issue they're facing. On top of systemic racism, for instance it's well documented that, especially in psychiatry, a lot of the research is centered around USian college students, because those are the easiest test subjects to find, which makes the research rather biased.

And there are a lot of people that don't even get to see a doctor due to poor health coverage who have to make do with what they find online.

What an absolute cold-blooded dismissal of other people life-altering struggles.

[–] Suck_on_my_Presence@lemmy.world 93 points 1 week ago (20 children)

Lord Almighty, I am not lazy.

While yes, it looks like I'm sitting there on my phone, my functional part is screaming at me. Get up. Go do the thing. Do your work. You wanna get fired? Get up. Get the fuck up.... As I click on another meme or post or video.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 37 points 1 week ago

To add to this.

Just because i failed to act on the stuff that needs doing doesn’t mean i had it easy or that am not exhausted.

Usually the reflective awareness of my stuck state drains me way more then if i would you just be able to get up and do it.

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[–] AThing4String@sh.itjust.works 62 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I had a nervous breakdown in university, where I had gotten a huge, highly selective merit scholarship under strict performance conditions. I had thrived - relatively speaking - in a traditional classroom, because it was so structured. I murdered tests because it was quiet, structured, and distraction free. Homework was hit or more frequently miss, I struggled socially, and although clearly not malicious my teachers gently noted that my classroom behavior could be a challenge "to the other students' learning", but I was brilliant enough at tests and classwork and highly motivated by my toxic dysfunctional house to get out that I had successfully gotten my golden ticket.

University, where you had to set and enforce your own structure? I couldn't cope. I got a lot of flack on "you never learned to study", "you just don't know how to do really hard things, now that it isn't easy for you". I missed deadlines for administrative work, I forgot assignments, I struggled to remember the instructions to follow them.

I remember a day just before I hit that wall - I was in the study cubicles in the library, trying to work on some critical midterms for a challenging course. I only had the cubicle rental for a set amount of time and needed to meet my long-suffering roommate for a ride home at a given time - they were also very busy and I was not helping their life by being late to everything constantly. I checked the time to see how much longer I had and went back to writing, but realized I hadn't actually internalized the time so I checked again. Within 10 seconds I couldn't remember how long I had again, so I checked again - tried really hard to remember! Said it out loud, was shushed by my cube neighbor. Looked up at them - forgot time. Checked again, pen to paper to write it down - I had forgotten already.

Frustrated as hell, I got up to get a drink at the water fountain, hoping the walk and the water would "clear my head". At this point I had forgotten I even needed to check the time. I sat back down at my cubicle, picked up my pen to start writing for this midterm, began brainstorming -- I was at the water fountain again, although I didn't remember choosing to go or any of the not-short walk there. Puzzled but not surprised, I thought "I must have been thirstier than I knew", and made sure to get a BIG drink this time. Walked back to the cubicle. Pick up pen. "Focus". Deep breath. Consider the themes of --

I am back at the water fountain. Hand to heaven I did not choose to be here. I do not NEED to be here. I am not thirsty. I return back to my cube without getting a drink because "I am not rewarding myself for wasting time".

I walk back to the wrong cubicle because I have forgotten the cubicle number I rented.

I end up back at the water fountain trying to remember my cubicle by retracing my steps - it's not like I haven't walked that path half a dozen times today already, how did I just now forget??

I get another drink. I finally make it back to my cubicle. I start working on the midterm again, but in the-reading the prompt sheet realize I have not been working on the prompt I actually signed up for this whole time - not that I have written even a paragraph yet. Frustrated to tears after years of this constantly and feeling like a failure, my phone buzzes angrily - somehow during all of this NOTHING, 4 hours came and went, and I am now late to meet my roommate, who is threatening to leave without me.

When I finally finish the paper, it is submitted by my professor for a "best paper of the semester" award and places second.

2 months later, seeing the campus psychiatrist after my mental breakdown due to "overwhelming anxiety", he listens to me for 45 minutes. He promises we will talk about the anxiety, which is very real and distressing, but also maybe I should consider this other thing. He takes a paper from his filing cabinet, folds over the top so I can't see what the title is, and presents me with a questionnaire asking me to rate myself from one to five on every moral failing that has ever disappointed and frustrated me and everyone who claims to love me. I am sobbing within 5 questions -- there is a name for this?? This is treatable?? I'm not just a lazy failure?? No, I have no idea what the title of this questionnaire would be.

"Adult ADHD Assessment".

Most people, it turns out, DON'T have a childhood nickname of "space cadet" or "nutty professor", can finish a sentence in a linear fashion, can sit relatively still, don't interrupt their psychiatrist 5 times in 20 minutes, and can remember what they have and have not discussed in a 45 minute time window. It also turns out that being a high achiever in a strict scholarship program as a member of the honors college in a challenging major at a prestigious university with "the WORST case of ADHD I have ever seen" is not super easy, although I can't imagine why.

Within days I am on my first day of Adderall, although I am told not to expect much at this dose. I almost forget to take it, but my roommate forcefully reminds me as we drive, and I never remembered to take the prescription out of my bag so I still have it. I walk the 15 minutes from the lot to the library.

As I pass the student union building next to the library, I realize something absolutely insane - I know where I am right now, and I remember getting here. Not that I remember every leaf or face I passed, but it isn't like the water fountain where I only know that I went somewhere because I am now there. Despite having the same routine every day of walking to the library to rent my cubicle first thing, I often "overshoot" and accidentally walk past it and head to the buildings for my major without getting my rental and storing my bag, usually only remembering where I am and what I'm doing once I go to open the door of my first class and see that it isn't my class in there yet - I'm supposed to be studying in the library for a few hours more.

But not on Adderall - on 10 whole mg of Adderall I successfully went right where I was supposed to be on purpose at the right time and I remembered doing it, and it was so unfamiliar an experience that I cried on a bench in the quad about it.

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[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 56 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It isn't fun.

Yeah, all the stereotypes of the wacky ADHD guy squirrel lol, but it's not like that on the inside.

We are lost in the goddamn fog, chasing phantoms and mirages that disappear when you look at them too long. We are constantly running to catch up and flailing for context. What looks capricious and funny is mostly just desperation. We aren't bursting with unlimited energy, it's as exhausting as it looks. Taking five attempts to actually get a task done because you just forget halfway through. Forgetting where you put the thing, every time. Feeling your working memory slip away like waking from a dream. Fucking up all the time, then having to work twice as hard to fix it, and feeling like shit because you can't get anything right.

It gets old, man.

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[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago (4 children)

So look, I am not trying to talk down to you or make you feel inferior. The reason I use words with WAY too many syllables tucked into precisely worded sentence structures is because my fucking brain decided it didn't want to remember the normal damn way of saying it.

Also, our brains glitch. As in it literally feels like some wires crossed. Due to this some situations/days/hours can be torture. Please be kind.

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[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

It isn't just "struggling to focus." The same way that depression isn't just "being sad" and anxiety disorder isn't just "getting nervous."

When my ADHD is at its worst, I literally become almost illiterate. As in, I read a single sentence, and by the time I finish the last few words, I have completely forgotten the rest of the sentence.

I have to read that sentence 4-6 times over and over before I actually comprehend what the meaning is. The words are being sounded out in my head, but my brain doesn't store them in short term memory, and certainly not into long term memory.

My brain is too busy processing random other things to dedicate enough attention to the thing I am trying to read. And I'm not taking about Shakespeare or Tolstoy, I'm talking about trying to read a basic email from my manager.

Imagine the feeling you had when you were in school struggling with your toughest subject. Maybe it was math, maybe chemistry, whatever. Remember what it was like when you were focusing as hard as you could to solve a problem on an exam or a homework assignment. Remember that feeling of mental exhaustion? Where it felt like your head actually hurt, you were physically tired from how hard you were focusing? Maybe for the next hour, perhaps even the rest of the day, you couldn't think hard about anything else?

Well that's how I feel doing the majority of trivial tasks I have to do all the time. Getting dressed, brushing my teeth, making breakfast, getting my work bag together, remembering to cash a check or pick up a few groceries. Working out, texting back a friend, responding to emails, scheduling a doctor's appointment, etc.

I start the day mentally exhausted and foggy, and I end the day even more so. And most of the things that nuro-typical folks do without hardly a thought, I have to expend final calculus 3 exam effort to do.

The most frustrating part? Sometimes, seemingly at random, my brain will just kick into gear and I will be able to focus on something for hours without any effort at all. I can't seem to cause it to happen, I don't know where it comes from. But on those rare days, I am a god. It actually makes me depressed, because I always think, "if I could be like this just 25% of the time, I would be unstoppable."

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[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Please don't "trap" me and force my attention on to you.

I literally cannot subvert my attention from what I am focused on. Please just say my name and wait a moment for me to context switch myself.

Forcing the attention takes away from what I want to focus on and what you want me to focus on (usually you).

[–] HaunchesTV@feddit.uk 31 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I'd second this as something people don't get about ADHD.

So I work in IT support. If I'm absorbed in something complicated and you ask me to stop immediately to help you with your "more urgent" issue, please don't take it personally if I seem annoyed while my brain short circuits trying to deal with the sudden gear change.

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[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 40 points 1 week ago (4 children)
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[–] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Random lesser known facts in no particular order:

  • You really have to say my name out loud before you start talking out of the blue otherwhise I won't hear the whole sentence.
  • Don't break my hyperfocus unless dinner's ready or the house is burning down. Everything else can wait.
  • Dating is either the greatest thing in life or your worst nightmare. More often the second one. No way to know beforehand.
  • You learn to condition yourself like a dog trainer, with treats and diversion.
  • I wasn't finished talking, I was pausing.
  • No I won't sing the whole song, just a part of the chorus or the intrumental riff. Yes, over and over for hours maybe. I know, I'm sorry.

Edit: Also, for the parents of children with ADHD get an adult with ADHD and make them interact with your child. You'll learn more from 10 minutes of that than years of literally anything else.

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[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

I also don't like that I'm not doing the things I should be doing. Yes, I absolutely do see that those things need to be done, no I don't think someone else is going to do them. Yes, I wish I would just get up and get it done too.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"Just do [X]" does not compute, whether X is "yoga", "sports", "[specific diet]", "the laundry", or simply "it". It is never simply "just". The inability to "just" start doing a thing (especially without any immediate reward) is one of the central symptoms of ADHD and if you say "just do [X]", you're essentially saying "just don't have ADHD".

ADHD also doesn't mean you are/were bad in school. Not by a long shot.

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[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I will spend ten times as long beating myself up about not doing the thing than it would take to just do the thing, which should make it crystal fucking clear that if I could just do the thing, I would fucking just do the thing.

And then, if I DO do the thing, I will spend twenty times as long as it took to do the thing afterwards replaying in my head exactly how I did the thing and beat myself up over every little imperfection.

Sometimes I have to really hold myself back from editing messages that are perfectly fine because I feel like I'm being too random and thus need to explain myself and add context

And this is while medicated, too.

[–] argarath@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

10 times as long beating yourself up? How about at least 35 times at a minimum? Had to fix a little bit of text in some presentation slides for a class, I had from December 24 until January 6th to do it, and I kept beating myself up for not doing it until the night between January 5 to January 6, where I did it all in one sitting, taking me about 6 hours to do it all, and I could have done it even sooner than December 24, all the way back to the beginning of December, but I procrastinated it as well... Fucking hate how I cannot get myself to work on shit until the last fucking minute

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

wow, this sounds like my regular day. Maybe I have that same thing ?

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