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Is calling out SS nazi soldiers the same as deadnaming trans people? (lemmygrad.ml)
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Is being labelled a Nazi in 2023 when one doesn't identify with the Nazi party or it's ideologies similar to dead-naming people who have changed their names?

In reference to the Yaroslav Hunka, who fought for Nazi Germany in WW2, then fought for Ukrainian independence afterwards. Canada recently had him in House of Commons to pay respect for Ukraine, which caused an uproar.

On one hand, a man fought for an evil power. Wether he had choice in that participation is up for debate. Does it make a difference what actions he took for the rest of his life or should he always be labelled a Nazi? Is he more of a Nazi than skin head, swastika tattoos nazis of today? I guess the question is, is it fair to judge someone this way? Looking for your thoughts.

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[-] proletarian_girlboss@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 10 months ago

Sure I often say the best year of my life was 1943, when I was in the SS, but that's in the past that I fondly look back to in my old age.

[-] proletarian_girlboss@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 10 months ago

(I will need to find the article again, but the nazi literally said at some point in a blog post in like 2010 that 1943 was his favorite year of his life.)

[-] Magician@hexbear.net 33 points 10 months ago

The goalposts have been moved so far for libs that you have to identify with the actual nazi party from the 1940s to be considered a nazi.

[-] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

you have to identify with the actual nazi party from the 1940s

about that... https://hexbear.net/comment/4008831

but it doesn't matter, they'll still defend nazi shit if it's convenient for america

[-] Magician@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

Every time I think I've found rock bottom for my expectations, reddit-logo finds a way to keep digging deeper.

[-] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago

The EU imposed sanctions on Austria in 2000 for having the far-right FPÖ join the government coalition.

Nowadays "no the USSR was absolutely more evil than Nazi Germany" is a mainstream position.

I love bourgeois states in the absence of a Socialist state making them shit themselves out of fear of revolution and even reform. agony-wholesome

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago

Eveything else is just sparkling fascism

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 29 points 10 months ago

I can't stand these spineless reddit-logo users. What do you mean "does it make a difference what actions he took for the rest of his life"? What actions? What redemption are you talking about?

They're obviously just working backward from the conclusion that if their favorite politicians honored this Nazi, surely that means he's been redeemed because the alternative is unthinkable.

[-] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This is what the pseudo-left does with Beau of The Fifth Column when you point out how atrocious his human trafficking and the associated exploitation was.

They're like "Yeah, but he did his time (he didn't btw) and he's done so much for the left since then (he hasn't btw). I believe that everyone should have a chance at rehabilitation."

And then you press them on it and ask them in what ways he engaged in genuine rehabilitation, if they believe that the current carceral system delivers said rehabilitation, and you ask how how much remorse he has shown for his crimes and especially what sort of restorative justice he has engaged in either for direct restitution to his victims or at the very least in restorative justice for victims of human trafficking more broadly.

... it's always the same when you do this because all you get in response is crickets chirping.

It's like they've never connected their ideas about prison abolition to the fact that this means rehabilitation doesn't come from a US prison to the fact that there's no mechanism for restitution for most victims of crime currently in the US to the fact that restorative justice can take place right now beyond what a US court mandates.

[-] Magician@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago

The redemption arc is a darling trope for libs. That want so badly to not think of their racist relatives as bad people. Or they just want to justify their secret love for fascism by saying they actually only like the ones who are good deep down.

They don't know the only good nazi is a dead nazi.

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago

visible-disgust

[-] Rojo27@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I-i-s there anyway to make myself feel better for defending a Nazi?shy

[-] proletarian_girlboss@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 10 months ago

No. You shall now be cast into the r*dditor torment dungeon for 37 years.

[-] JuryNullification@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago

It’s very cruel to send them to lemmy.world

[-] Cummunism@hexbear.net 22 points 10 months ago

manufactured persecution is my favorite type of persecution. my least fav type is actual persecution.

[-] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago

Hubert Aiwanger, deputy governor of Bavaria for the Free Voters has recently been accused of having had a school past as a violent Nazi.

He blamed his brother.

Regardless of the veracity of the claims, it only skyrocketed the polling results of the FW to almost 20%.

The average opinion of the westerner about Nazi politics (seemingly including explicitly NSDAP supporting Nazis)? "They had a point!"

I HATE THE 2020s! I HATE THE 2020s! I HATE LIBERALS! I HATE SCRATCHED LIBERALS!

[-] beautiful_boater@hexbear.net 21 points 10 months ago

Liberalism was a mistake.

[-] kkitsuragisleftnut@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago

This is even more cursed than the books @PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net posts.

[-] Owl@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

What if you find a trans person who used to be an SS nazi soldier, pre-transition, and all the documentation is under their deadname? Checkmate hexatankies.

[-] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago

guts-rage

[-] Cromalin@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

no

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