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Tolkien: and then the Good King came and cast out the Evil Stewards who were corrupt because they ruled without the correct bloodline. Everything was peaceful after that and there was no more evil. There are two women in this story. Monarchy is good. The actual singular God who created everything wants you to be ruled by a 300 year old nobleman. The End.

GRRM: Feudalism is inherently destructive. Even the Noble Good Guys cause unimaginable suffering due to the structures of the system they operate within. Women are no more than brood mares under Feudalism. There is a Good King whose father was deposed. This Good King has spent his life living amongst the common people in order to become a good ruler. He is being manipulated by cynical actors and will bring devastation to the world when he begins his conquest. Thirty years ago the Hero of Prophecy acted to save the world from the Great Evil. He unleashed devastation on the land, died, and destroyed his own dynasty, possibly dooming the world. There are no gods, only powerful forces beyond our understanding that operate through the power of blood. Once upon a time there was a Good King who ruled justly. He brought peace to the land and improved the common folks' lot tremendously. Due the nature of Feudalism, the succession crisis that succeeded his reign led to the most bloodshed in 300 years. No one who wants war understands its cost.

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[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

LOTR becomes so much more enjoyable when you root for Sauron and the forces of Mordor who're actually oppressed people waging a people's war against the bourgeois.

[–] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

I just don't care for gritty realism :comfy:

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

LOTR: sauron's "evil" army from the east, made of the common clay and swarthy, a multi-ethnic alliance is pretty obviously the rising specter of communism. the ring represents democracy, which is "evil" and calling out to those forces of "evil", which is why the "good guys" have to destroy it because it will pervert the kingdoms and their totally awesome political system of hereditary eugenics and the very light skinned perfect beings.

the ring/democracy has to be destroyed by a little landlord and his bootlicking tenant. people who spend too much time with the ring/democracy or communicating with sauron get "permanently brainwashed" unless a magic white guy in a very, very white robe uses his very white power on them to remove these evil thoughts of solidarity with the rising tide from the east.

also, J R R Tolkien invented the CIA and was a biowarfare consultant during the Korean War. this is all detailed in an extended metaphor within The Silmarillion.

[–] Aryuproudomenowdaddy@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't think I'll ever revisit GoT because Martin is such an exhausting author. Dude just doesn't know when to shut the fuck up about banner designs and the cooking methods of a 20 course dinner.

[–] Redbolshevik2@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think they're frankly both tiring authors to read.

[–] Aryuproudomenowdaddy@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's been a while since I've gone through LotR, I did have a lot more endurance for that kind of stuff when I was young.

[–] Redbolshevik2@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

IIRC rather than spending eight paragraphs describing food and people's suffering, Tolkien spends six paragraphs describing the landscape and its history.