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[-] Spacebar@lemmy.world 147 points 1 year ago

Do you think? A whole voting block being told to not get vaccinated? To not wear masks? GOP politics MAY be to blame.

I'm sorry but it's never fault of the conservatives or their leaders. Despite telling everybody else to take responsibility for their own lives and decisions conservatives have mastered the art of conspiracy so that they always have someone else to blame. In this case it's those evil liberals in the "organized left" using reverse psychology.

https://www.yahoo.com/video/breitbart-writer-claims-organized-left-124015633.html

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[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

If only the census was happening this year and not 2020.

[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago

Reddit used to have a whole separate called /r/HermanCainawards that posted COVID Darwin award winners.

It was brutal but honestly the recipients all earned it.

[-] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

It was better at the beginning before they started requiring names and pfp to be covered in posts. Even if it was a celebrity. All the posts were from public social media pages. If someone is enough of a dumbass to broadcast their dangerous stupidity to the world, they they don't deserve anonymity.

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[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

So sad that Me-ma and Pop-Pop followed the advice of someone who told them the answer might be to inject bleach and shove a light bulb up their ass.

[-] Bendavisunlv6@lemmynsfw.com 20 points 1 year ago

I’ll bet their higher religiosity and tendency to congregate in church weekly couldn’t have helped either.

[-] JustZ@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

It's not just that. They distrust science and medicine in all things. These are fat, gullible people, in overall poor mental and physical health; exceptions have only skated by on dumb luck. If they didn't believe the docs on virus prevention, they don't believe them on obesity and lung disease prevention either. If they didn't wear masks for COVID, they don't wear them for spraying paint remover at their jobs.

It's industrial hygiene and physical and mental hygiene to which they are ignorant, personal hygiene, too. If they didn't social distance to stop the spread, they dont wash their hands after taking a huge messy shit.

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[-] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The worst part is it looks suspiciously like a deliberate strategy. They told their base that deliberately not taking precautions "owns the libs", that you should vote in person on Election Day without a mask. This creates a correlation between voting method and candidate, with mail-in votes being mostly Democratic. Then they simply attacked mail-in votes.

Thankfully it ultimately didn't work, but they were willing to kill their voters to try it.

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[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 105 points 1 year ago

I believe the quote goes, ''I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs a woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party"

[-] Tedesche@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

As the article explains, the study in question is actually kind of weak in terms of providing solid proof that the excess deaths were attributable to COVID-19, but it's apparently one in a growing number of studies that all have relatively weak "arrows" pointing in the same direction. So, the reason researchers view these studies as evidence that Republican messaging on vaccines is partially to blame is due to the collective body of evidence, not just this paper.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

But that’s the thing about excess mortality during COVID, it was mostly due actual COVID

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[-] JustZ@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Weak compared to what?

In my experience litigating medicolegal causation, this is the nature of epidemiology.

Like, the standard isn't "beyond a reasonable doubt," in my view, it's "preponderance of the evidence," aka "more likely than not."

More likely than not, the excess deaths were COVID. It's like when the weather forecasts a 20% chance of rain. Weak, right? No. It's a 100% chance of rain in 20% of the forecast area.

[-] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

In equally shocking news, eating cheetos turns your fingers orange.

[-] SpeakerToLampposts@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Link to the actual study: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2807617

BTW, let me add a bit to the cautions about attributing the difference in death rates entirely to Republicans' performative dumbshittery: older people are, in general, both more likely to be Republicans and more likely to die of COVID (and also other diseases that an overloaded medical system could otherwise have helped them with), so there's a pretty obvious confounding variable here.

On the other hand, that confounding variable applied just as much before the vacciles were available, and the difference in death rates doesn't seem to have existed before that.

On the gripping hand, I'd expect the similar difference in performative dumbshittery WRT masks to have been around before the vaccines came out, and to have caused a difference in death rates before vaccines... but it looks like not.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I’m quite confident that these researchers are capable of controlling for other demographic factors, since that’s like data analysis 101. Considering they state the results are stratified by age, why would you think age is a confounding variable? That comment doesn’t make sense to me.

[-] mookulator@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I think the commenter didn’t notice that the analysis controlled for age through stratification. You’re right that that confounding variable is taken care of.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I think you’re right… it’s a little annoying because if I link to a study, I usually read it (or at least the results lol) and give a tl;dr. Even if you don’t do that, I’d hope you’d at least read what you’re sharing. If you’re going to give a commentary, at the bare minimum you should check your source to see if they addressed that.

[-] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

The only thing more annoying than a person who thinks that correlation is always indicative of causation is the person who thinks that correlation is never indicative of causation.

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[-] jerrimu@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Is there a group Darwin award?

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Dying from COVID to own the libs is it’s own special award

[-] AlaskaMan@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

It’s called the Herman Cain Award.

[-] Bendavisunlv6@lemmynsfw.com 13 points 1 year ago

Oh gee you just took me back to deep pandemic times

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[-] rustyfish@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

I feel owned so much. It hurt me feelings. Buh...More please?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I'm crying salty liberal tears over their graves.

[-] Infinity187@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

Didn't we figure this out already?

[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Yes, there have been a few previous studies about this.

[-] Pratai@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

In a related story: the sky is made of air.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

It's great to be alive

[-] ExcursionInversion@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

"The study examined the deaths of 538,139 people 25 years and older in Florida and Ohio"

Would be interesting to see a nationwide study.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I’d imagine it’s representative. Both states are slightly redder than average ig

[-] MinusPi@pawb.social 8 points 1 year ago
[-] VexCatalyst@lemmy.astaluk.icu 7 points 1 year ago

Gee, ya think?

I know why studies with seemingly obvious results like this are conducted, (sometimes the obvious answer is wrong) but the waste of money still bugs me.

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

A peer reviewed study (especially when the results are reproduced by another group performing the same experiments and receiving those same results) is the difference between science and anecdote.

The irony is not lost on me that the study itself is of those that rejected completely separate scientific studies, and paid with their lives in doing so.

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[-] hmart316@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Insert YouDontSay.jpg meme here. Not giving op grief. Just can’t believe WaPo has to write out the obvious.

[-] turbovan@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago

Evolution at work, Darwin would be pleased.

[-] Shit@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago
[-] kwking13@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

THAT CAN'T POSSIBLY BE TRUE!

[-] Shit@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Actually water itself is not wet... /s

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[-] Nusm@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Read all about it and more in this month’s issue of DUH.

[-] AWildMimicAppears@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

killing off your voters to own the libs

[-] jcit878@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

its truly hard to feel sorry here.

[-] JIMMERZ@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Shocked, shocked I tell you! Anyway…

[-] EnthusiasticWhale@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Shocked I say... No way I saw this coming /s

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