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If they can elect a felon to the white house, so could we.

Edit: Better image, thanks to @PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee

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[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 161 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Actually... Shit. That's kind of a good point. His approach was the non-violent solution.

[–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 40 points 6 days ago (12 children)

If we're fighting with the same weapons, then Biden's last act should be a pardon for Luigi...

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 49 points 6 days ago

Biden is not on our side on this issue, that's part of the problem. He is and was the candidate that the people who didn't want healthcare reform pushed in to block Bernie from putting the issue on the ballot by running on it.

[–] synae@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 5 days ago

I keep hearing this idea floated, do people really think that Biden is not on the same side as the health insurance companies??

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[–] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 52 points 6 days ago (29 children)

I upvoted, but these kinds of posts make me uncomfortable. Luigi was a wealthy crypto bro working though a mental crisis. Luigi is not lefty batman.

I am very happy about the discussions his actions are creating and the overreaction from the upper class, but I am not sure it is a good idea to glorify Luigi.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 136 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Explain how Batman was not a wealthy crypto bro working though a mental crisis ?

[–] jwiggler@sh.itjust.works 43 points 6 days ago (2 children)

lmaooo

tangentially I feel like Batman could never jive with leftist ideology anyhow. His whole thing is beating and scaring the crime out of people, which is in contrast to the leftist idea that crime happens because the needs of individuals (physical, psychological, and social) are not met by their material conditions.

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (4 children)

the leftist idea that crime happens because the needs of individuals (physical, psychological, and social) are not met by their material conditions.

Like, why do people always jump to thinking there can only be one correct option out of multiple choices?

I am sure there are many people committing crimes because they can't fulfill their basic needs any other way.

But do you think Trump is lacking in material conditions? People are diverse and they commit crimes for diverse reasons.

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[–] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 33 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Good point ☝️

Also batman didn't change the systemic issues with Gotham.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Also batman didn’t change the systemic issues with Gotham.

This is exactly what I have been saying since the assassination. You cannot fix systemic problems with vigilantism.

Did anyone's coverage go down? No. Did UHC just deny the claim of a woman in a coma? Yes.

https://www.newsweek.com/united-healtchare-claim-deny-brian-thompson-luigi-mangione-insurance-2008307

You cannot fix systemic problems with vigilantism.

[–] theonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 days ago (22 children)

Well you can't fix it from within the system. You can't fix it with vigilantism, but it can be fixed as every other country in earth has fixed this problem.

The fuck do you people want then?

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[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 74 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Luigi was a wealthy crypto bro working though a mental crisis. Luigi is not lefty batman.

That sounds a lot like Batman.

That's why I use Saint Luigi. It's a ignore all the things that don't line up with the ideal, and only focus on those that do kind of thing. Just like the churches do with thier saints. Lol

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[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 28 points 5 days ago (2 children)

If you’re waiting for perfect, you’ll be waiting for ever.

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 41 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don't think he's a hero, but his actions are the inevitable outcome of our system.

When justice can no longer be achieved through peaceful demonstration or the legal system, people will increasingly turn to violence as their only option.

While I won't celebrate violence, I do prefer targeted violence upon those causing the damage to mass murders of innocents.

If you're going to murder someone - don't. But if that doesn't stop you, I'd rather the victim be someone who damages the world instead of schoolchildren and churchgoers.

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[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 27 points 5 days ago (3 children)

It's not glorifying Luigi. He's a vigilante. The health insurance companies are criminals in the eye of the majority, and the majority can't get it changed through legal peaceful means. The vigilante sees an injustice and takes it upon themselves to enact justice extrajudicially.

As we have seen, the majority appears to to support his actions. His background is unimportant. Humans are very grey. That's one of the things that democracy can account for.

Think of it this way: if he was willing to risk all that he had to enact justice once does that not make him better than many of us? How many of us have smaller amounts of excess, are directly impacted by the health insurance companies, yet have done nothing but take steps that have not helped anyone else? That's the definition of sacrifice rather than compromise.

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[–] Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago (6 children)

There will never be the perfect Robin Hood. Engels was wealthy, Bernie is a millionaire.

Really the point is that Luigi is (allegedly) right, and represents a justifiable sentiment of disdain for the system and class solidarity.

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[–] blarth@thelemmy.club 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I appreciate you trying to shift the narrative and demonize our modern day folk hero, but it’s probably not going to work.

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[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 20 points 6 days ago

Honestly, I feel about the same. Meme is funny, and I thoroughly enjoy the discussion, which is why I posted it, but I want actual leftist leaders in charge, not actual Luigi.

The point though is: Bernie was the working class trying to better the system from the inside. If the system keeps fucking us over, the system CAN be overthrown through different means.

The political class better realise that it's in their favour to have us change the system non violently.

[–] Shard@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

When has Batman been lefty?

His generally agreed upon biography is a wealthy billionaire trust fund baby who suffered great emotional loss and broke, who now spends the rest of his life and fortune fighting injustice

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's a symbol. People are attracted to the idea that someone could coolly shoot an evil guy and (for a couple days) get away with it.

If he had hurt innocents or fumbled the execution (pun intended) he wouldn't be so popular.

Also consider how our institutions are failing us. People feel, often rightly so, that the systems aren't working for them. The supreme Court is openly corrupt and makes wildly unpopular decisions. Health care is a shit show. The police somewhat routinely kill innocent people and their dogs. Plus a bunch of stuff that's not true but people believe. It feels like there's no path forward, and then some smooth guy just shoots one of the perpetrators dead? Amazing.

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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

That's the point though- people tried playing by the rules, the system shat in their faces. Now you have people snapping and going vigilante with guns and that's called consequence.

You break the socialist contract, bad things start getting lauded

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 45 points 6 days ago (9 children)

I'd vote for him. Or against his conviction, if I was on his jury.

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[–] loaf@sh.itjust.works 48 points 6 days ago

I love this.

[–] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 26 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)
[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 9 points 5 days ago

Thank you, edited.

[–] m3t00@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

if we nominate him, lawyers can drag out his case until ...

[–] jdf038@mander.xyz 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Holy shit yeah it's a get outta jail free card right?!

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